Nicolle Wallace interviews Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord live at the 92nd Street Y in NYC, discussing legal developments in Trumpworld, challenges of investigating Russian interference, Mike Flynn's conversations with the Russian ambassador, FBI Director's independence, potential outcomes of cases against Trump, and the possibility of prosecuting him for mishandling classified documents and obstruction of justice.
The United States must allocate resources to effectively combat Russian interference in elections by addressing disinformation, foreign funding, and political violence.
The trial of Donald Trump in the Jack Smith case related to the January 6th insurrection must be conducted expeditiously and conclusively to ensure accountability and prevent the defense from spinning a potential hung jury outcome as a win.
There are concerns about the potential weaponization of the Department of Justice and the FBI under a second Trump term, highlighting the importance of experienced individuals in key positions to uphold justice and prevent political interference.
Deep dives
Protecting Against Interference in the Next Election
One of the main concerns in the podcast is how the United States can protect itself from Russian interference in the upcoming election. It is acknowledged that Russia will attempt to interfere again, as they did in 2016, but the true extent of their interference was not known until after the fact. The podcast highlights that Russia's motives for interfering are even higher now, given the ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and other areas. It is mentioned that money is a significant aspect of interference, with concerns about foreign funding for campaigns that may be difficult to investigate before an election. The podcast also mentions the threat of disinformation and political violence generated within the United States, which can further sow division and amplify interference efforts. The challenge lies in allocating resources and efforts to effectively combat these threats.
The Dangers of Presidential Immunity and Pardons
Another key point in the podcast is the discussion about the potential trial of Donald Trump in the Jack Smith case related to the events of the January 6th insurrection. The podcast expresses concerns about potential delays and legal maneuvers, such as claims of executive immunity, which could impede or prolong the trial process. The podcast notes that the ultimate verdict relies on the willingness of the Supreme Court to prioritize the preservation of democracy and the rule of law. The concern is raised about a possible hung jury, with the impact of such an outcome being spun by the defense as a win and potentially affecting the election. The importance of a fair and conclusive trial, expeditiously conducted, is emphasized to ensure accountability for the events of January 6th.
The Fragility of Justice Institutions in a Trump Presidency
The podcast explores the potential consequences to justice institutions if Trump were to win a second term. It highlights concerns about Trump's intent to weaponize the Department of Justice and go after his political enemies, as he has publicly stated. The worry is that key positions, such as Attorney General and Secretary of Defense, would be filled with individuals who share Trump's disregard for the rule of law. The podcast mentions the importance of experienced, qualified individuals in these positions and raises fears about the potential dismantling of DOJ and the FBI. The discussion reveals a concern about the long-term impact on these institutions and their ability to function independently and uphold justice in the face of political interference.
The concern that the national security advisor and the vice president were compromising national security by covering up conversations with Russians
The podcast highlights the concern that arose when it became clear that the national security advisor, Michael Flynn, had conversations with Russians and then lied about it to Vice President Pence. It is suggested that this situation raises the question of whether the national security advisor is willing to lie or if the vice president is involved in the cover-up. This compromises their credibility and poses a threat to national security.
Federal cases against Donald Trump involving election interference and national security risks
The podcast discusses two active federal criminal cases against Donald Trump, focusing on allegations of election interference and his potential role as a national security risk. It is emphasized that these cases are not unprecedented, as there have been prosecutions for mishandling classified documents and obstruction of justice in the past. The podcast argues that these charges are significant due to their connection to attempts to undermine democracy and prevent a peaceful transition of power.
We’re live at the 92nd Street Y in NYC! MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace sits down with Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord to talk about all of the latest legal developments in Trumpworld. She also asks Andrew and Mary some personal questions about their time at the DOJ, including what it was like to be there for the transition between the Obama and Trump administrations -- and we take questions from the audience in this very special live episode.
Note: Some parts of the conversation have been edited
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