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236: How to heal the anger in your relationship with your spouse

Feb 3, 2025

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How to heal the anger in your relationship with your spouse

Parent Laurie was doing really well when she had two kids. She had been with her partner for a long time, she had just achieved her first managerial role at work, and things were going great - so they thought it would be a good time to add a third child.

Then: Pandemic. Two kids under three. Oldest child started school and had problems that were diagnosed as ADHD and Autism. Navigating all the appointments and calls from school took so much time that Laurie dropped down to part-time work, so her salary would no longer cover the cost of childcare. She quit her job and became a stay-at-home parent.

The Anger Begins

Then the anger and rage began. Laurie had always had anger throughout her whole life, and thought she knew how to handle it - but this rage was a different story. It felt like she wasn't in control, which is the complete opposite of how she wanted to show up as a parent and as a partner - so she felt deeply ashamed of it.

Her husband Jordan bore the brunt of it - for big issues and small. They had a mouse problem...and one day he left Goldfish crackers out. Laurie was like the villainous octopus witch Ursula from The Little Mermaid who wanted to tear everything down - to tear HIM down.

The Impact of Anger on Laurie's Kids

Of course her kids heard all of this. Not long after his diagnosis, her oldest son had given a presentation to his class about his family, and he introduced Laurie by saying: "No matter what happens, my Mom is calm and unflappable and she can handle it." It was Laurie's parenting dream come true, since she didn't grow up in a calm house.

Laurie felt so ashamed that she wasn't the calm center of the family anymore, and that her kids were afraid of her.

Where the Anger Comes From

Then she started to learn the sources of her triggered feelings from waaay back in that not-so-calm household. She also learned that getting her husband to change his behavior was not the answer - even though she very much wanted it to be the answer!

She started to heal from the hurts she's experienced, and has learned how to sit with her rage without making it her husband's fault. And from there, she's begun to feel the rage less often.

Now there are more 'magical' moments in their relationship, as they share silly texts like they used to before they had kids.

How to Repair After Anger

Laurie shares her story in this extraordinarily revealing interview. And at the end I coach her on a challenge she faced that very morning: she's now aware of the difference between feelings and fake feelings (that are really judgments in disguise). But even though she knows the difference she can't always stop herself from directing the ~~fake feelings~~ judgments at her husband - which had started a fight that day.

We talked through how to avoid the judgments next time - and how to repair effectively with her husband later that night. I also share a message Laurie sent me about how the repair went!

I hope you enjoy this inspiring conversation.

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01:55 Laurie’s introduction 13:40 Laurie’s intentions when she joined the Taming Your Triggers workshop 23:17 The tools that Laurie put into practice and found helpful 34:32 The changes that Laurie has seen in her family 39:18 Importance of recognizing fake feelings and needs 45:25 Doing difficult behavior to receive connection 49:54 Seeing when you feel agitated in your body 54:26 Starting a non-judgmental observation

[accordion] [accordion-item title="Click here to read the full transcript"] Kelly 00:03 Hi. This is Kelly Peterson from Chicago, Illinois. There's no other resource out there quite like Your Parenting Mojo, which doesn't just tell you about the latest scientific research on parenting and child development, but puts it into context for you as well, so you can decide whether and how to use this new information. If you'd like to get new episodes in your inbox, along with a free infographic on 13 Reasons Your Child Isn't Listening to you and what to do about each one, sign up at yourparentingmojo.com/subscribe. If you'd like to start a conversation with someone about this episode, or you know someone who would find it useful, please do forward it to them. Thank you so much. Jen Lumanlan 00:56 Hello and welcome to the Your Parenting Mojo podcast. We are here today with a very special guest. We are here with parent Laurie, and we're going to talk a little bit about some changes she's been making over the last few months in her parenting and her relationship with her kids. And we're also going to do a bit of coaching as well, which I'm excited for too. So welcome Laurie. It's so great to have you here. Laurie 01:17 Oh, I'm so excited. It's funny. I met once like incredibly excited to be with you, your work, actually having a conversation like this, you know, in daylight hours, not in the hash of midnight. You know, try to, and it's also very serious and heavy. So it's a very interesting contrast within and I'm trying to just hold it, hold it together. Jen Lumanlan 01:37 Hold all of it at the same time. Well, thank you so much for sharing that with us. Yeah, it's, it's a little bit like that with me as well, right? Are we going to make sure that we cover things that listeners find interesting, and also, I know based on our previous interactions, you and I could just talk for hours. So yeah, so why don't you just start off by telling us a little bit about who you are? Where are you, who's in your family? Laurie 01:55 Sure. So I live on the west coast of Canada in British Columbia, and I'm a mother of three sons. They are ages ten, seven and four and partnered. I have a husband, Jordan, and we've been married. It's in that gray area where you think it's 15 years, but it might be 18, it could even be 20, but been together very, very long time since my late 20s, and I started having kids later in life. So I had my first at 36 and my last at 42. I am currently 46 years old, and what's I want to say about my family? There was something I wanted to I wanted to mention for sure that I thought was relevant to the course, but I'll just leave it there. If you have enough. Jen Lumanlan 02:42 Yeah, no worries. And you're a stay at home parent, right? I remember when you introduced yourself, you said, that's a risky turn you didn't see coming. Laurie 02:49 This was it okay? So, yeah, there was two things I wanted to mention. And one, so I've been kind of working my whole life, and four years ago we had our last child. It was rate in the pandemic, the beginning of the pandemic. And there was some twists and turns I really did not see coming. I didn't realize how exponentially the workload would increase with three. I know that sounds very idealistic and novel, but I was like, Oh, two, it's good. It's good. And then three, I was like, we have 16 kids now. Like, how does anybody do this? Then my eldest was being assessed for certain things, certain struggles were coming up, and we were very curious, but trying to be very open about it. And the school was very generous, but really insisted on a psycho educational assessment. Led to a few other things, and he was diagnosed with autism and about four other comorbidities, almost just like dominoes, like do, do, do, do so autism, ADHD, Developmental Coordination Disorder, some sensory processing issues and some learning challenges, and that change like, then things really, really opened up. And it wasn't just like, worried with the school system of like, Oh, we got some sniffles, or everybody in our family sick. Again, it was, Oh, wow. Like, this is a whole new just world, and learning about terms like IEP, Individualized Education Plan and advocating and trying to teach my son to advocate. And really well meant, but limited resources within the public education system, and there's so many, it just everything went and it felt like a part time job or a full time job, just trying to learn of that. And then lastly on that, what would end up happening is my job. They were wonderful. They tried to say, like, look, let's do a jobshare with you. They were going to give me two days a week and then three days a week, type thing, with another person that was covering my leave, who is also wonderful. But it turned out even that the way I would get called into the school for different meetings and this and that, and this specialist and that specialist and and. Still trying to have a one year old, a two year old, and my person in kindergarten. And then lastly, it ended up to get into the financial I don't recovering all the heavy stuff, the money stuff, but it would be like I would be paying $25 a month to have my kids in care. So it ended up being the salary I would have made, wouldn't have even covered the childcare. And I was devastated. I was gutted because I, just before I had actually got my first, like, managerial role, so I've been working, and I was like, like, I'm I'm doing it, you know, my Mary Tyler Moore hat, like, I'm doing it, and I know doing it. And I kids amazing. And it just kind of slowly these things started happening. I was like, oh, and my hat's kind of like, you know, trampled on the ground somewhere right now. Like, I was like, well, that part has to just go here for now. And we just couldn't afford to actually have me work, which I know sounds bizarre, and now we're at the place where we can't afford for me not to be working. So now I'm trying to claw my back, way back into professional career. Well, still dealing with the with the staff and my youngest will go to kindergarten next year. So this very long answer, but I did not see any of that coming. I worked through all my other kids, young person hoods, in a lot of ways. And then this one, I was like, oh, okay, here we are. Jen Lumanlan 06:25 Yeah so you've talked through a lot of changes happening, yes, and I am just imagining all of the things in all of that, right, all of your kids diagnoses, and the amount of time that it's going to take to navigate the school system and all of the appointments and everything else and not working anymore, right as you are starting to meet your need for competence in your work in a way that is really meaningful to you. And I'm wondering if maybe any of this is linked to triggered feelings, perhaps, did they start coming out a little bit more than they had? Laurie 06:57 Oh my gosh. I Oh, Jen, it is so lovely to talk to you. I wish we could be have this three day conversation marathon. I is so I feel seen in a way. I'm almost like tearing up. I haven't been able to say The Mary Tyler Moore, you know, hat and then down on the ground, because it's almost you don't I don't want to make anybody feel bad in my family. Of what of some of the things that was a necessity to kind of keep our stuff going. I felt I've had anger my whole life. I felt anger, and I know how to handle it, but this rage was a different story. Like this felt like I wasn't in control, and it is really the antithesis of how I want to show up as a parent or person or partner in any way, and so, and I'm deeply ashamed of it. So this is the heavy part where I'm really excited to talk to you, but I'm also like, Oh, please don't make me talk about this. I don't want to talk about this at all. This is, like, kind of humiliating, but also so important to talk about. So what would happen is it wouldn't be my children that would set me off so much I had a lot of kind of space for them, although there was moments for sure, but it was my partner, and little things became things that I was ready to burn it all down like, and I met like I was ready to be like the rage would come up so quick, and it would be something as simple as he left all the goldfish crackers out in the cupboard, and at that time, we were dealing with a mouse problem. And part of me was like, Are you kidding me? Like I was ready, like the monster within my inner Ursula with all eight tentacles wanted to come out and tear everything down, and it was very ugly, very painful, and I had to just, I didn't even know how to hold it, like the rage was so this, and the other thing was, is I'm right in perio menopause, and I think that's kind of a magical, amazing Time. It's also incredibly challenging, but I think my inner anything I've pushed down, it's coming, like it's coming for me and it's going to come out now, this is the time of my life where, and it just so coincides, because I had kids later that it's like I'm also going to have young kids during this transition and a marriage that we've kind of defaulted and, oh my God, what did I do to my career, you know? And if something happened to my partner, I don't, I can't even, I'm not even working to provide for my family. So all these things that I said, Oh, I'll never, you know, I'll never be all those. And it's like, Oh no, I am all of those, check, check, check, at the same time. But it was the rage that frightened me. And really I thought, Oh, I've I've got to do something like this isn't and what it was, it wasn't even that I was conscientious of the harm and effect that I was having on my partner. Oh, this is gonna make me cry. But it was just seeing my kids being afraid. Right? So long story. When my son was diagnosed with autism, about six months later, he gave a presentation to his grade three class about having autism. It was so beautiful and touching and incredible and just the way kids are. It was so in the moment and present, and the kids were really cool with each other, and he had to introduce us, and he introduced his status, like, really cool. His Job's really cool. Look at my dad's so cool. And I almost swallowed my tongue when it was his time to introduce me, because at that point, I wasn't working, and he was just introducing people, their job is who they are,...