[Bible] Episode 258: Marc Brettler & Alan Lenzi - The Problem of Evil (Part 1)
Oct 23, 2023
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Bible scholars Marc Brettler and Alan Lenzi join the hosts to discuss the problem of evil in the Bible and ancient Mesopotamian texts. They explore the assumption that suffering is caused by flaws in individuals and discuss ancient perspectives on suffering and God's justice. The podcast also delves into the concept of evil in the Bible, different views of God, and the influence of ancient world traditions on biblical prayer.
Ancient texts in the Bible and Mesopotamian literature acknowledge suffering as connected to human flaws and present a multifaceted view of God's justice.
The concept of divine sovereignty in the face of suffering is explored, highlighting the acceptance of an all-powerful deity who can act capriciously.
Deep dives
The complexity of suffering in ancient texts
In this podcast episode, the hosts explore the concept of suffering and God's relationship to evil in ancient texts. They discuss the similarities and differences between the book of Job in the Hebrew Bible and Babylonian literature, such as Ludlil and Atra-Hasis. Both traditions acknowledge that suffering is connected to human flaws, and there is a sense of divine sovereignty and capriciousness. The laments in these texts provide a space for individuals to express their anger and protest against their circumstances, even addressing the divine in imperative language. The hosts also highlight the various perspectives within the Hebrew Bible on suffering, including the traditional view of punishment for sin and the wisdom tradition's concept of "chastisements of love." Overall, the episode emphasizes the multifaceted nature of the biblical views on suffering and God's justice.
The complexity of divine sovereignty
The hosts delve into the concept of divine sovereignty in the face of suffering. They discuss how both the book of Job and Babylonian texts recognize a all-powerful deity who can act capriciously, doing whatever they please. In the ancient world, it was an accepted notion that the gods had the freedom to act as they wish, and this includes allowing suffering. The hosts also point out the presence of anthropomorphism and anthropopathism in the Hebrew Bible, where God is depicted with human-like attributes and emotions, such as anger and the need for appeasement. The hosts emphasize that these ancient perspectives differ from modern conceptions of a benevolent deity, and they highlight the importance of historical context in understanding these complex portrayals of God.
Lament as a shared response to suffering
The podcast emphasizes the role of lament and protest in both the book of Job and Babylonian texts as a response to suffering. They note that the ancient lament tradition allowed for the expression of anger and questioning, even using imperative language towards God. This contrasts with contemporary prayers, which tend to be more restrained and polite. The hosts highlight the significance of protest literature in the Bible, where individuals can voice their grievances and wrestle with God's actions. They also note that the ancient understanding of suffering involved a recognition of divine strength and sovereignty alongside the capacity for protest. This dynamic between recognition and protest provides a meaningful theological framework for grappling with suffering in both ancient and contemporary contexts.
The nuanced portrayal of suffering in Job
The hosts explore the nuanced portrayal of suffering in the book of Job, emphasizing its complexity and profound theological questions. While acknowledging the prose frame and poetic center as distinct sections, they note that the book as a whole delves into questions of suffering, human integrity, and divine justice. They highlight the tension between Job's initial complaint and lament towards God, his friends' traditional theologies attributing suffering to sin, and the speeches of God that raise further questions. The hosts also highlight the ambiguity in Job's final words, where he either repents or remains steadfast in his integrity, leaving room for multiple interpretations. They underscore the profound nature of the book, which grapples with the limitations of human understanding in the face of suffering and explores the complexities of human-divine interaction.
In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Marc Brettler and Alan Lenzi join Pete and Jared to discuss the context of evil in the Bible and other ancient Mesopotamian texts, giving insight into how people thousands of years ago wrestled with divine sovereignty and human suffering. This is the first of two episodes on the problem of evil—don’t miss part two on Faith for Normal People as Pete and Jared discuss theological frameworks with Tom Oord.