Just out here, two ladies taking in the view from three years into their podcast on the outskirts of the zeitgeist. The Old 97s make honest women of us. Dave Cicirelli gives us a new look. Nancy and Sarah are making this episode free to everyone, in celebration of 1095+ days of trying to make sense of this crazy world.

Also discussed:

* The Smoke ‘Em guests that riled up listeners

* Ross Douthat “places his finger on the deep wound”

* We love a dorky wedding!

* Pop quiz for Nancy: Pronounce “swastika”

* Our 2025 guest wish list: we’re looking at you, Douglas Murray.

* Conclave, cleavage, whatever

* Mike Pesca and his “New Substack” panic button

* “Don’t put it down, put it away …”

* Nancy will never lose her contempt for Bernadine Dohrn

* The hotness of Diego Luna

* The hotness of Tom Hardy

* Nancy’s mom

* POP ROCKS!

Plus, things that are sexy: men who take the lead, flying toward the story, pleather, and much more!

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197. Three-Year Anniversary: Change or Die