Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah interview journalist Paul Kix, author of the award-winning book on the Civil Rights movement, You Have to Be Prepared to Die Before You Can Begin to Live. Paul writes about the Southern Christian Leadership Conference’s ten weeks in Birmingham through fully realized characters and complicated detail, and he tells us how the experience changed him.We also talk about Paul’s 2023 personal essay, “Liberals Once Embraced Interracial Marriages Like Mine. What Changed?” The conversation skip-hops around race, spirituality, faith, discipline, journalism — and Paul makes Nancy cry (twice!).Also discussed:* Marfa, too many metal chairs and cement surfaces* The Disappearance of Hotel Bathtubs: A lamentation* How Sarah changed Paul’s life* Summer 2020: Oh, how it transformed us* “There’s a liberalism that abandoned me”* Can a white man tell a black story?* “Mis·ceg·e·na·tion” “Man·i·chae·an” “Hag·i·og·ra·phy”* George Floyd, quite the football player* How the Eagles’ Glenn Frey knew Jackson Browne was the real deal* “Bombingham”* Humanizing Bull Conner* Would you allow your children to get fire-hosed for a righteous cause?* Harry Belafonte, the George Soros of the civil rights movement* New Yorkers love to say “No”* “In the wake of war is the big beating heart of love”* How to bet on yourself* “What cause would you die for?”Plus, Sarah falls into a Weather Underground rabbit hole, an argument for more art told from the perspective of a resentful loser, why Paul kept a photo on his fridge that looked like Billie Dee Williams, and much more.This is one of our favorite episodes xx

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah take on the kerfuffles of the week: Chris Rufo mines the anti-woke vein by digging up the old tweets of a New Yorker writer, the Minnesota Vikings introduce two male cheerleaders (and people lose their minds), hunky provocateur-lite Matt Rife stars in a commercial for ELF makeup (and at least two people object). Welcome to the Outrage Opportunists, who glut up our social media feeds with their Very! Angry! Posts! Are we working out the kinks of a changing society, or just serving up thin gruel?Plus: Ass, boobs, or legs? Tell us what you love, and we’ll tell you who you are.Also discussed:* No Pants Day!* Nancy’s cute new haircut (cue Olivia Newton-John’s “Physical”)* Sarah’s dad suffers from chronic integrity* Sydney Sweeney everlasting* 2025 Beyonce looks a little like … a panda bear?* Twitter, megaphone for our id* “The ass is the engine of a woman’s body”* Doreen St. Felix: vile racist or 20-something with a social media account?* The New Yorker blocks Chris Rufo, David Remnick weeps* “They’re eating the dogs” is kinda an all-timer* Men in cheerleading: A brief history* “Sashay, shantay” + other gay stereotypes* Joaquin Phoenix in a role that fits rightPlus, more on the Canadian hockey trial, Eddington director Ari Aster swings for the fences, Nancy takes a trip to Sally’s Beauty Supply, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah talk about the latest in the “WTF is wrong with men?” media series, this time in The Cut/NY Mag. They also discuss the strange case of the Canadian hockey team recently found not guilty in a high-profile sex assault case. They intended to talk about the new Marc Maron HBO special, but that’ll have to wait till next time.Also discussed:* Mexican barber shop!* That time Walter Kirn dressed down Nancy on-air* Sarah’s cat is spoiled, go figure* Nancy throws down a moral dilemma: Nazis or Hamas?* “Emotional erection”* Slinky! Slinky! Boing-boing.* But who takes the hell-child to the doctor?* Are same-sex couples happier?* “Pies Against Patriarchy”* The “evidence-based case” for lesbianism* Hetero-antagonism: We’ve gone too far.* WE LOVE MEN.* “And another thing about dinosaurs …”* Don’t let your dumb things define you* Open invitation to the family Pesca* Football is Sarah’s ZIP code* Vagina dentataPlus, Sarah’s falling for Bill Buckley, Nancy’s theory on why men fall asleep after sex, remembering when New York Magazine was “a well-rounded meal,” and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss a new Sydney Sweeney ad for American Eagle. Is saying “my jeans are blue” a dog whistle? Or is “dog whistle” a 21st-century term for finding outrage in absolutely anything? Speaking of, you can count on the New York Times to detail another thing men are doing wrong. This week we talk “mankeeping!”But most of this episode concerns one Billy Joel, whose HBO doc has thrust him in the spotlight again. Why do critics hate him so much? Like REALLY, REALLY hate him? We have thoughts! It’s a conversation about art, criticism, envy, and the joy of singing along.Also discussed:* Wikifeet!* We want to eat cute widdle baby feet* Sarah is a volunteer “man-keeper”* What wine moms will never admit to* Josh Hepola, Captain Mansplainer* Retired men and coffee shops: it’s a thing* Don Henley is handsome* “Schlock-n-roll”* Sarah tweets from a Target Superstore; mistakes were made* Smoke ‘Em gals are pro-Eagles* Nancy likes a mosh pit, does not recognize Shakespeare* Do not tell people you’re a bestselling author* Billy Joel Lyrics Quiz!Plus, the song that made Sarah weep in the car this week, what Sarah learned from Jon Ronson’s Twitter, “the quality of mercy is not strained” and much more!Reminder: First Sunday Zoom! Aug 3, 8pm ET / 5pm PT. Paid subscribers only. Link the day-of.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss a recent viral essay in NYT magazine called “The Trouble With Wanting Men.” Nancy had a meltdown reading this story, while Sarah saw romantic problems she recognized as well as behavior designed to fail. The two ladies talk about a vogue for female bitchery, a lack of grace in women’s voices, and whether men and women can ever repair the anger and resentment that’s erupted between them — at least online.Also discussed:* The time Nancy’s mom bought Black Sabbath PARANOID on 8-track* That time Ozzy peed on the Alamo* diddle-diddle-diddle* Sarah propositions Kat Rosenfield, mispronounces her last name (again)* Maybe that Mars/Venus guy was onto something* Sarah wept through the Kavanaugh hearings* “Why didn’t you tell me you had a uterus?”* Girlboss versus YouPorn; YouPorn wins* Cormac McCarthy lunges from ambush* Sarah negs Nancy, proves that negging works …* Open marriages, oy* “Bratty sub”* Nancy does not want a man to bend to her whims* A debate over the word “thrill”* That Texas Monthly flood essay, damn* Nancy gives advice to overheated feminists* Sarah waxes sociological about equality and same-sex relationships* “hermeneutic labor” is …?* All snuggle, all the timePlus, what Sarah wants Nancy to read her on her deathbed, Pedro Pascal is too much with us, Christopher Hitchens on Bill Clinton, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the viral story of the week: Astronomer CEO Andy Byron and head of HR Kristin Cabot get caught cuddling on camera at a Coldplay concert. Who are these people, and why do we care? Good question! Celebrity in the 21st century is a relative term, and this story raises questions about surveillance, social-media Schadenfreude, the danger of online sleuthing, and why we have Kiss Cams in the first place.The ladies also talk about a NYT story on how decadence at Peak Conde Nast is reminiscent of the fall of Rome. (Hint: There will be elephants.)Also discussed:* Ice cream got too complicated.* Death by Grok* Why is there a Kiss Cam at a Coldplay concert?* WHAT WOULD YOU DO? A hypothetical on Kiss Cams.* Sarah’s salty texts with Oscar Isaac* Don’t you go dipping into Nancy’s DMs* What Succession teaches us about shareholders* “Blow-in cards”* Sarah’s Columbia Records & Tapes scam* Expectations of privacy when having illicit affair* Nancy has not read Pride and Prejudice* Rock music critics have dopey prejudices* That $475k Vanity Fair photo shoot* The New Yorker, not really a money-maker* Who is the real Conde Nast?* Sarah makes Nancy blush* Pam Colloff, the GOAT of longform* … But is the tampon singing?Plus, love for 30 Rock, the writer who made $12 a word, why you should reach out to friends (and strangers), and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are stumbling into land mines — quickly! — in this episode, where a convo about Jennifer Love Hewitt’s recent turn in the spotlight proves the ladies don’t even agree on that. It’s hard to talk about women and their bodies: Fat vs. curvy, skinny vs. anorexic, body positive vs. morbidly obese, Ozempic-face vs. mom-bod, Lena Dunham vs. #SkinnyTok. How the ladies discuss these subjects may offend some people (warning: a lot of boob talk), but maybe it’s time to stop taking such easy offense on a vital and complicated subject. As Sarah says, “It’s a weird time to have a body.”NOTE: Want to judge our appearance? Only fair. Join us on our YouTube channel.In the second half of the show, we ask: Will the Epstein story be what splits MAGA?Also discussed:* A plague of mosquitos!* Sarah is a sensitive flower; Nancy is pigeon-toed* Love for The Dumb Zone* How is Lena Dunham like Woody Allen?* Sarah’s “absolute milk sheds”* The miracle of “nursing boobs”* “We have all these conversations about guys and their dicks” (???)* Liv Schmidt, a 23-year-old influencer who looks exactly like you assume* Shame, the most powerful motivator* The getting-our-period anecdotes no one wanted to hear* Respect: Nancy’s dad loved Helen Mirren* Props to Tina Brown* Stalin: hot or not?* A moral telling of a tragic storyPlus, true-crime talk, coming around on Ozempic, the time Sarah flashed an 80-year-old at Oktoberfest, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comEli Lake, host of the Breaking History podcast, loves America. But what does that mean? We discuss the long unfinished experiment of our country, and the fashionable anti-semitism that’s swept colleges/the youngs, or as Eli calls them, “barista socialists.” We talk about how elite colleges fell apart, when the left becomes violent, and why valuing ideology over human lives is never a good look.Also discussed:* Eli’s July 4 AI song is a BOP* Sarah tells Nancy she “looks older,” this goes over great * We knew we’d made it on YouTube when …* Commenter warns: DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO!!* Eli explains how he makes his bangin’ AI songs* Third rails and Gen Xers* Spy Magazine!!!* Sarah doesn’t want to make Eli the point-person on antisemitism but …* “You suck, Bob Vylan!”* How shockingly close boredom is to death lust * “It goes back to the Books of the Maccabees…”* NYC mayoral politics: “Vote for the felon or for the fedayeen.”* The bill has come due for radical academics* Does Bernadine Dohrn deserve eternal contempt? Let’s discuss!* “Who is Menachem Begin?”* What young actor should play Ted Bundy?* Sarah has a FOURTH OF JULY SURPRISE!Plus, heroes of the Texas floods, a Monica Lewinsky theory from the Middle East, Sarah falls asleep listening to serial killer narratives, and much more!We’re PROUD to call you a paid subscriber. Now you just have to, umm, become one.You can listen to Eli’s entire July 4 episode, but if you want to choke up and hear Eli’s bangin’ “If You Don’t Leave (We Gonna Fight),” start here (47:49)

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comDan Savage: What better person to explain the mess that is the P Diddy trial? The “Savage Love” columnist/podcaster chats with Sarah and Nancy about the hip-hop mogul’s fetishes, OCD kinksters, the troubling statute of limitations on domestic abuse, and the dangerous elasticity of the term “sex trafficking.” This one is fascinating, fraught, and taught us a lot!Also discussed:* “It’s not RICO, it’s FREAK-O!”* Dan stans Steve & Eydie* Sarah is a little cinnamon, Nancy’s straight-up vanilla* White parties started in gay culture?* “A moment of silence for the staff of these hotels…”* Clive Owens gets swapped with Clive Davis in a WILD WAY* “There’s something Caligula about Combs …”* It’s all about the glisten* “Sex always wins.”* Hotwifing??* “I got cheated on, YAHTZEE!”* “Pity sex is not rape”* Men find their kinks at 15, women at 35* Very tricky: Consent versus coercion* “Good giving and game” might needs some corrections/clarifications* The case for decriminalization of sex work* The moral panic of “sex trafficking”* The elasticity of the word “rape”Plus, some (qualified) props for Monica Lewinsky, Sarah pouts because Nancy’s going on a date with another Sarah, New Orleans cops know all the lyrics to "Fairytale of New York,” and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah debate a Modern Love column called, “Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back.” Nancy is gagging. Sarah thinks it’s an imperfect swing in the right direction. Who will reign supreme? Eh, they both have a point. Also, the girls go deep on Karen Read, blackouts and causes celebre.Also discussed:* Nancy’s new nickname: Maidenform!* New York, a socialist utopia?* Be a YouTube subscriber, either because or despite our promise to only wear bras* The Hepola trifecta: cops, excessive drinking, and blackouts* Karen Read: Where to begin?* No, really: Blackouts, blackouts, blackouts!!* The defense lawyers are experts in… Kevin Spacey?!* More people need jobs* Are men “hiding” — if so, from what?* Sarah gets rant-y about dating apps* Nancy gets rant-y about female whining* A male listener’s fraught text exchange with a woman* “What is your role in this?”* When heading to possible war, learn about previous wars* William Langewiesche, revisited* Osama bin Laden was a rich kid