This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comReading Noah Rothman’s new piece in Commentary, “A Clockwork Blue: How the Left Has Come to Excuse Away and Embrace Political Violence,” I felt as though he had written it just for me; this, because he called to account institutions and individuals who proclaim violence from the left justified, a trend I found maddening when I covered 150+ nights of violent street protests in Portland in 2020. And about that: How long did Rothman think that violence would have been explained away had it been committed by the right?"Hours," he said.In a discussion that calls out violence on all sides, Rothman addresses the roots of political barbarism, how the power of crowds can lead well-adjusted people to commit orgies of violence, the juvenile cop-out of making avatars of people in order to justify brutality against them, and some especial opprobrium for the intellectual and spiritual poverty that makes a hero of Luigi Mangione, who, weeks after murdering UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson, was given a round of applause by an SNL audience.“The point of this piece is a call for political consistency,” said Rothman. “Only when we have consistency will we see a decline in political violence.”Noah Rothman is a senior writer for National Review. He is the author of Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America (Regnery, 2019) and The Rise of the New Puritans: Fighting Back Against Progressives’ War on Fun (HarperCollins, 2022). His work has been published in USA Today, the Washington Examiner, the New York Post, the New York Times, the Atlantic, the Washington Post, and elsewhere. Follow on Twitter/X at NoahCRothman

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah dive into the messy New York magazine cover story on literary superstar Neil Gaiman, accused of sexual assault by multiple women. The story broke over the summer in a British podcast — which Nancy and Sarah listened to, and much preferred — and they zero in on the story’s different presentations and ethical tangles. It’s a tale of celebrity, status-seeking, boundarilessness, and cruelty. But is it criminal? Let’s discuss.Also discussed:* Joe Biden made a speech* Bathtub as flytrap* If I serve you a steak, and you write to tell me you loved it, then logically do I:* Serve you another steak* Assume you don’t really like steak and only told me you did so we can keep hanging out* Report me because I pressed the steak on you while knowing you hated steak* What does logic have to do with it?* To be clear: We are anti-vagina whipping* Do women want sexual freedom, to be protected class — or both?* Please don’t trot out experts to support your insupportable point* Nancy knee-jerks over journalism* Is consent really black and white? And if so, why has it spawned five million think pieces and hours of podcasts like this?* Jon Ronson puts Sarah to sleep but “in a loving way.”* “If my literary hero appeared to me when I was 22 when I happened to be hot and not a binge-drinking chubby lonely-heart watching Real World marathons while hungover on the futon …”Plus, Sarah hates the “cup of tea” consent video, some love for fact-checkers, the 1-minute video that’s made Nancy laugh 20 times, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comBe warned, beloveds: Lots of sex talk here; hide the kiddies and the squeamish. Also! Due to some ghost in the machine, our last episode, “Meghan Daum on What We've Lost in the Los Angeles Wildfires,” may have included a paywall that we did not put there. It is free for all, and it’s fixed now.No worries if you haven’t seen “Babygirl,” the erotic drama wherein a tightly wound CEO with an Instagram-perfect life (Nicole Kidman) gets down and dirty with a much younger male intern (Harris Dickinson). Sarah and Nancy are discussing a lot more than just a movie: The nature of female desire, why domination fantasies are so taboo, and whether masochism is threaded into the female sexual experience. (Sweeping generalizations alert!) Also discussed:* Nancy’s name makes a comeback and she can’t take it* Consent does not line up with desire* The thing about negging is …* Don Draper, feminist icon?* All hail Showgirls, the best-worst movie ever* Nancy likes to wrestle* The orgasm gap* Why does a man buy a woman a steak?* Nancy Friday’s My Secret Garden* Define “hypergamy”Plus, Nancy picks an “obscure book” for her hotbox only to find it has 105,000 reviews on Amazon, a male companion robot that looks like Harry Dean Stanton, “Freedom for Scotland!” and much moreAre there heretofore unexperienced pleasures when you become a paid subscriber? One way to find outWe might be paywalling this episode, but we’re not monsters…

Essayist and Unspeakable pod host Meghan Daum joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about the worst fires ever recorded in Southern California — what it was like to learn that her house in Altadena burned down, the blame game that both sides are playing, the surreal celebrity angle, and why you don’t actually have to tweet. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“I am still waiting for my bathrobe, and until you give it to me, I am going to be forced to do this podcast in the nude,” Kat Rosenfield tells Nancy and Sarah, who really need to move on this gift they keep promising her for repeat appearances. Kat is here to discuss her recent Free Press column on Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, “a turducken of a story” about alleged misbehavior and creative control on the set of It Ends With Us. The stars’ dueling legal documents lit up social media over the holidays, but it’s … confusing. Kat sees it less as a “he said/she said," and more of a battle of PR narratives.Also discussed:* But who is Colleen Hoover?* “I have a series of really hot takes…”* Justin Baldoni: sexy or nah?* Nancy likes a dad bod* Is asking someone what they weigh “fat-shaming”?* “I have been taken on a journey of eroticism and repulsion, and that’s what I count on you for…”* Shades of Depp-Heard* Megan Twohey strikes again* “Astro-turfed pseudo-consensus”; rolls right off the tongue* How to pronounce “simulacram”?* Reflexive outrage: what is it good for?* Wait, that’s not Markle’s kitchen?* Ascribing a richness of interior life to people that they neither have nor deservePlus, dry cake, Nancy’s failing face, a movie trailer that gives all the cringes, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah share their highs and lows from the year that was. Which movie did Nancy love, and Sarah despise? (Hint: It’s not the Bob Dylan movie.) Which book did Sarah love, even though Nancy finds the author “twee”? Plus, Sarah quizzes Nancy about momentous events in 2024, and Nancy mostly bombs, no cap.Also discussed:* “It’s always butter with you”* Was Joan Baez that hot?* The movie that set both Sarah and Nancy’s nerves on edge* What live televised event got a Taylor Swift bump?* Who was that guy that bombed at the Golden Globes, again?* Big love for Andy Mills* No Problematic Coffee* “As a childless cat lady …”* Michael Moynihan’s Melania impersonation gets a run for its moneyPlus, knee-jerk Nancy on the year’s worst politician, Sarah panic-votes for macaroni and cheese, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comIt’s the end of 2024, and Sarah and Nancy wonder if two recent media phenomena represent a paradigm shift in two areas: porn and the collective consciousness. On one side: “I’m Lily Phillips, and today I’m getting run through by a hundred guys.” On the other side: “This groundbreaking series challenges everything we think we know about communication and the human mind, inviting viewers to step into a reality where the impossible is not only possible but happening every day.”Yes, we’re talking about the YouTube documentary I Slept With 100 Men in One Day and the podcast The Telepathy Tapes, exploring the potentially telepathic abilities of nonverbal autists. What do these two things have in common? Join us to find out, in a conversation that veers from unexpected sex toys to Carl Jung. Also, Nancy cries about something other than journalism.Also discussed:* Nancy pens a viral tweet!* The how-to-fold-a-fitted-sheet debate* Wait, there are drones over LA, too?* Sarah wants Nancy to start an OnlyPans page* The orange street cone goes into WHAT, now?* Lily Phillips’ understatement of the year: “I don’t know if I’d recommend it”* The arrogance of thinking we know everything about science* When Freud and Jung parted ways …* Babe Paley’s husband

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the very online experience of watching both the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the capture of the man named as his killer, Luigi Mangione. We discuss the memes, conspiracies, tasteless jokes, and crushes on the alleged shooter. Did the tragic incident offer a pressure-valve release to Americans frustrated by a limping healthcare system, or is it an inflection point for something more dangerous? And how should we feel when murder becomes entertainment? Also discussed:* The Daniel Penny verdict* The floating-in-space feeling between election and inauguration* Activism ain’t what it used to be* “Will you forgive me for loving to say his name?”* Piers Morgan, the Jerry Springer of political shows* “The brain is a dangerous thing”* Bonnie & Clyde and glamorous crime* “Desire knows no ethics”* The detail that helps Luigi Mangione’s capture in a McDonald’s make sense* Caitlin Flanagan, the master storyteller* “What will survive of us is love”* Did Sonny Liston take a dive?Plus, Sarah’s brain makes “popcorn” in the middle of the night, Nancy thinks CBD makes her sing better, Ben Dreyfuss talks with Taylor Lorenz (let’s listen), and more!As the poet says, what will survive of us is love. As the podcasters say, we survive only if you become a paid subscriber

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comSmoke ‘Em welcomes favorite repeat guest and self-proclaimed “absolute newspaper romantic” Matt Welch. He talks with Nancy and Sarah about whether legacy papers can ever make a comeback and how they ignore local news at their own peril, plus whether civility might be on the upswing.Also discussed:* Pink hair don’t care* How the Los Angeles Times “changed the physical landscape of the West.”* Scott Jennings joins the editorial board at the LA Times. And?* “Like perestroika, incivility starts in the home”* They’re still counting votes in California!* Is activism dead or just sleeping?* “Throw any Russian in a skirt at Hegseth and he’s going to loosen his tie”* “A dark sky had fallen over Nantucket, Mass., on Saturday evening when President Biden left church alongside his family after his final Thanksgiving as president …”* Meghan McCain, flashpoint* “Mono-politics is bad for governance”* Maybe people should disengage from politics and take up streaking and fart books?* People who voted for Kamala, but were pulling for Trump?* Nancy thinks “raw-dogging” means …* Sarah interviews Ken Burns, American treasureAlso, a wretched New York Times “Ethicist” question, thoughts on why Biden pardoned his son, dick-shaped cookie cutters, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss two recent dust-ups between men and women: One is fraught and potentially career-damaging, the other is (arguably) romantic, but also potentially legacy-damaging. Trump’s nominee to lead the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, is facing scandal that stems from a 2017 encounter at a Republican women’s convention, and the details are … confusing? Don’t really add up? Then we discuss the secret muse of Cormac McCarthy, 64-year-old Finnish lass Augusta Britt, who shares the story of her underage love affair (and lifelong connection) with McCarthy in a Vanity Fair story that was much-loved and much-trashed. Wanna guess where we fell?Also discussed:* Can anyone pronounce the last name Hegseth?* The detail that brought the case together for Nancy* Never name your bar “Knuckles”* What if he were in a blackout, and she wasn’t …* Cock-clock, crotch-block, what?* The two foods all men love* “We don’t get enough Finnish chutzpah”* “Well baby, that’s what I do. I’m a writer.”* Nancy just keeps vibrating* Purple prose? Bring it* The case of Joyce Maynard* Sarah is really mad at WickedPlus, controversy over a writer’s hair, Nancy’s stuffing recipe, and more!