Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comBefore we talk about this episode: Pretty-please go to YouTube and subscribe to our new channel. It costs you nothing! It could give you so much joy! Now, on to the show:Nancy and Sarah go deep on the Sean Combs case, thus inspiring them to slap the first warning label on a Smoke ‘Em episode. This one’s explicit! It’s also sad, confusing, funny-depressing, one more cautionary tale about fame, money, and power. They talk about the recent conviction of Gerard Depardieu, the one-time Casanova of French cinema who confessed in the course of his trial that he was “ill suited for the current era.”Also discussed:* Age of consent laws are wild* France reckons five years later* Zut alors, the jerk lawyer in that Depardieu case!* Nancy needs seven showers* Mise en place, mise en scene …* Cowboys 4 Angels* Baby oil, so much baby oil* Dan Savage, you’re our last hope* “But I don’t want to go to a Brazilian steakhouse!”* The backstory behind that violent March 2016 footage in the hotel* Beware the scared man who fears his woman is getting too powerful* Does the public have a right to see Diddy freak-off footage? Nancy: Yes. Sarah: No. Wanna guess who would watch it, though?* Nancy flirts with victim-blaming, pulls back from the brink* Send hate mail to Gavin de Becker* But what is sex trafficking?* Nancy tells a tragic story about an old acquaintance* A drinking problem starts as a drinking solutionPlus, the book that is blowing Sarah’s mind, Nancy’s magical trip to a land before time, altogether too much freaking off, and much more!Because we’ll never cover you in baby oil (unless you ask nice) — become a paid subscriber

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comPoet and author Nick Flynn joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about poems that blew his mind, the destabilizing experience of watching your life re-enacted in a movie (his memoir Another Bullshit Night in Suck City became Being Flynn with Robert DeNiro, Julianne Moore, and Paul Dano), why DeNiro demanded Nick be on set, riding in a limo to said set with the young Dano, and why white male writers are alive and well, at least in the classes he teaches.“The poets I’ve met are assholes,” Sarah confesses to Nick, although upon further reflection, it’s more like the assholes really stand out. Nick isn’t friends with assholes, but he does know many amazing poets, including Marie Howe, who just won the Pulitzer. Also discussed:* Sarah hates poetry, then proceeds to recite poetry* Nick defends Robert Frost* Pantyhose vending machines at Hooters* The surprising diversity, art/dining scene of Houston* Nick reads “Bag of Mice,” blows our minds* “Aristotle did not promise writing would be cathartic”* The greatness of Lili Taylor, better known to Nick as his wife* Who will play Nancy in the movie?* What’s Amy Adams doing in, oh-say, two or three years?* Houston museums! Iranian films! Barn dance! * Sinners is a must-see, but…* … not a lot of love for Black Panther on this podcastPlus, Nick yells at a marriage therapist, why making stuff is dangerous, a rare sighting of Nancy’s daughter in the wild, and much more!Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry I could not become a paid subscriber — oh no, wait you can:

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comStop what you are doing and subscribe to Smoke ‘Em’s new YouTube! Right now yes thank you. On to our regular program!Nancy and Sarah are joined by culture critic/novelist Kat Rosenfield to talk about who we can blame for our current morass: Social media? Heterodox thinkers? Everyone? The trio end up discussing the difference between activism and storytelling, what it means to be “disingenuous,” Kat’s Twitter beef with Cathy Young, writer’s envy (or maybe just Sarah’s envy), and Kat’s long-promised kimono, a gift for her most-frequent-guest status, which has not been bought yet (ed note: Sarah glares at Nancy). Trump’s 100 Days: How did we get here? And if we all got into this together, can we get out together, too?Also discussed:* Three votes for the moon* Surprise cat appearance!* Trump “corrupts his allies and deranges his opponents in a way that makes the culture worse.”* Why categorizing anyone as “anti-anti Trump” is axiomatically corrupt* Ambiguity frightens people. * Losing friends for speaking up* Dick Cavett, the Joe Rogan of his day* Politics as a litmus test for moral character* England, don’t stick your dick in a box of badgers* Dad-Bod-GatePlus, Sarah offers a poignant quote from Milan Kundera (or maybe Instagram; whatever), Nancy unintentionally inaugurates a “Hate Thing of the Week” feature, the problem with men wearing teensy-tiny pants, and much more!REMINDER: Paid subscribers can join us this Sunday, May 4, for our First Sunday Zoom, 5pm PT / 8pm ET, link sent out day-of!It’s already May! Looks like the perfect month for you to become a paid subscriber.Reliable, beautiful and bright candidate that wasn’t on the ballot (though Kat wrote it in)

Just out here, two ladies taking in the view from three years into their podcast on the outskirts of the zeitgeist. The Old 97s make honest women of us. Dave Cicirelli gives us a new look. Nancy and Sarah are making this episode free to everyone, in celebration of 1095+ days of trying to make sense of this crazy world.Also discussed:* The Smoke ‘Em guests that riled up listeners* Ross Douthat “places his finger on the deep wound”* We love a dorky wedding!* Pop quiz for Nancy: Pronounce “swastika”* Our 2025 guest wish list: we’re looking at you, Douglas Murray.* Conclave, cleavage, whatever* Mike Pesca and his “New Substack” panic button* “Don’t put it down, put it away …”* Nancy will never lose her contempt for Bernadine Dohrn* The hotness of Diego Luna* The hotness of Tom Hardy* Nancy’s mom* POP ROCKS!Plus, things that are sexy: men who take the lead, flying toward the story, pleather, and much more! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the continuing saga of Luigi Mangione, newly minted folk hero and alleged assassin of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. “Here’s this man who is a revolutionary, who’s famous, who’s handsome, he’s smart, he’s a person who seems like a morally good man, which is hard to find,” said journalist Taylor Lorenz on CNN, and while there was some context to that comment, there wasn’t much. At Coachella, Circle Jerks’ frontman Keith Morris called for an “army of Luigis,” while folk singer Jesse Welles is selling out venues with his Luigi-inspired song “United Healthcare.” Nancy and Sarah talk about anti-heroes, the politics of protest music, the catharsis of Netflix, and why our culture has a hard-on for murderers.Also discussed:* Would you go to space?* Why wasn’t Oprah on that flight?* Nancy’s Circle Jerks encounter* Sarah eats two-week old steak. Pays the price.* Cody Balmer is no Luigi Mangione — or is he?* Taylor Lorenz is one strange bird* Luxembourg, Rosenberg, same diff …* Missing Ross Perot* Sarah confuses Dallas Morning News baseball writer Evan Grant with Ryan Murphy favorite/teen heartthrob Evan Peters …* Weinstein case = can of worms with snakes inside* Sarah tells a dad joke, stands behind it* Someone looks like four miles of bad road* Candace Owens, if we must* You gotta put batteries in your vibratorPlus, Clyde Barrow was not impotent, ChatGPT roasts Sarah and Nancy, a special friend-of-the-pod on Bill Maher this Friday, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss former “Shagger of the Year” Russell Brand, who’s been charged with sexual misconduct, a year or two after an explosive documentary landed on British TV about the comedian/entertainer/podcaster/New-Age guru. That show kicked off a criminal investigation, now headed to the courts.Brand is at once an obvious and peculiar #MeToo target, since he was so outspoken about his misdeeds in real time, including a memoir about his sex addiction called My Booky Wook. The ladies discuss changing cultural climates, why women are drawn to charming reprobates, the logic of age-of-consent laws, and the appropriate legal consequences for someone who behaved badly and got lavishly rewarded for it.Also discussed:* Are Americans horny for anger, or is it just our Twitter feeds?* Disinhibited by a nap, Sarah falls into Twitter spat* Carrie Coon stans came to win* The spitfire that is (recent Smoke ‘Em guest!) Meghan McCain* Sarah regrets editing out a line about Russell Brand asking about panties* “Attention hunger”* The late great David Carr* “Feeding the fat kid” into perpetuity* Beware the older man saying, “I want to buy you a dress and take you out in it.” Honeytrap!* Paul Schrader, Taxi Driver screenwriter, should have known better* Sarah challenges Kmele Foster to an “antic conversation”* “It’s dudes all the way down.”Plus, Sarah tries to explain a “vacation hat,” Nancy nominates Tom Hardy for perennial “Sexiest Man Alive,” a pic of where dozens of your favorite podcasters have peed, and much more!Correction: Nancy said the tariffs had wiped out $10 trillion in “debt,” when she meant to say “wealth.” Management regrets the error, while thinking she might have been wish-casting …

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comLiz Wolfe, Reason writer/podcaster, joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about the mess of politics, the value of free speech, and how to talk about parenting in a world where fewer and fewer women are parents. Wolfe is not your average 28 year old: Unapologetically pro-life and pro-natalist as a time when many in her generation haven’t even started contemplating freezing their eggs. Or, in the case of singer Chappell Roan, 27, they might tell an interviewer, “All of my friends who have kids are in hell. I actually don’t know anyone who’s happy and has children at this age.”Liz has thoughts!With her surfboard in the background and her toddler occasionally in her lap, Liz talks about choices, wonders, border chaos, her Catholic faith, reproductive tech, and why she’s pleased that Grok compared her to Kat Timpf.Also discussed:* Happy Liberation Day?* Grok summarizes your narrators, and Sarah gets grumpy* Nancy’s alter-ego has a pie in her backpack, with a gun* Truth Czar, Disinformation Chief … have the American people not suffered enough?* Sarah is pissed on Matt Taibbi’s behalf* Talk to your hairdresser about the New York Times …* Warren Beatty quote: “One of the nice things God does is, he does not let people who don't have kids know what they're missing.”* Chappell Roan, a second-rate Lady Gaga* “Ambiguous loss”* Will Sarah have a kid on her own?* Do NOT call Nancy a single mother* Unrealistic expectations about our fertility window* “I bite Mama!”Plus, sliding out of Obama-era liberalism, the hazards of toxic empathy, poop under your fake nails, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comInvestigative reporter Lee Fang talks with Nancy and Sarah about his latest Substack story, “Democrats' Dark Money Fund for TikTok Influencers,” about secret forces behind the sudden media enthusiasm of Kamala Harris’ presidential announcement. “As it turns out, the tidal wave of enthusiasm was not entirely genuine. Much of the content,” writes Fang, “was quietly funded by an elusive group of Democratic billionaires and major donors in an arrangement designed to conceal the payments from voters.”Fang may be familiar to listeners from a kerfuffle in summer 2020, when his colleagues at The Intercept turned on him publicly after he tweeted about riots amid the George Floyd moment. Fang talks about how he came to journalism, how to remain an honest broker, and why he’s fascinated by the money behind power. Also discussed: * “Tits,” “rack,” and “bosom” all on-air in record time!* Fang, raised on WaPo and cereal* The eerie brilliance of Michael Savage* On being addicted to conservative radio* Fitness bloggers and Mommy bloggers go pro-Kamala!* Nancy has other thoughts about Kamala in the kitchen …* Why do conservative voices dominate the podcast space?* Kamala as “intersectional dream” and “where intersectionality goes to die”* “Call Lee Daddy”* Sarah’s been pimping Diet Coke for 20 years and got bupkis* Going viral on Twitter. (Lee does not recommend.)* Sarah repeatedly refers to “Twitter Files” as “WikiLeaks” (durr)* That time Nancy and Lee went to Israel…* Sarah dives back into Depp/Heard; comes back with new information!* The possible Pfizer vaccine hold-up of 2020Plus, Lee recounts “The Intercept Incident,” why dark money won’t see the light of day any time soon, Lee dispels conspiracy theories about him, and much more!REMINDER: First Sunday Zoom is this Sunday, April 6, 8pm ET/5pm PT, for paid subscribers only. We’ll send the link day-of.Watch the video that caused so much trouble for Lee but made him a better journalist. Become a paid subscriber …

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are joined by Aaron Gywn — paragon of good will on Twitter/X (follow at x.com/AmericanGwyn), literature professor, and author of numerous works of fiction, including The Cannibal Owl — to discuss a recent viral story in Compact Magazine, “The Vanishing White Male Writer.” We talk about shifts in publishing/culture, the trap of identity, and what great literature can do. Since Gwyn is a Cormac McCarthy expert, we also discuss the controversial 2024 Vanity Fair story about McCarthy and his muse, Augusta Britt.Also discussed:* The lost Pop Rocks episode* St. Louis, cool town* The epic beauty of Larry McMurtry’s Lonesome Dove* “Jonathan Franzen is too much with us.”* 2014, the cultural swing year* The Michel Foucault of it all* “Most of publishing is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks.”* Nancy needs to go to therapy* Aaron’s message for writers: “If you want something, go get it.”* “NICE TITS”* Love and admiration for fiction writer Phil Klay* Male writers trying to “reassure the reader that he is the right sort of white man.”* On not getting over the 2008 death of David Foster Wallace* Butt-chugging Infinite Jest* How Ric Ocasek won Paulina Porizkova* Drakkar Noir makes Sarah horny* How Aaron reacts when caught in the tractor beam of beauty* “I contain multi-tools”* Mary Gaitskill, the honey badger of writersAlso, why Aaron cannot get fired up about anything that happened after 1876, how fiction writing is like ventriloquism, why we’re all broken but still deserve love, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comDonald McNeil Jr., a 45-year New York Times veteran, comes on the pod to talk with Nancy and Sarah about … so much. The prompt was the recent NYT story, “We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives.” As the paper of record tries to come correct on Covid, we wanted to hear from the science journalist, one of the first to tell Americans about this strange thing called the coronavirus. A self-declared “cranky old-school” reporter, McNeil landed the story of his career in 2020 and became part of a team that won the Pulitzer. But by 2021, he was gone, amid scandal and speculation. He talks about the bizarre kerfuffle that led to his resignation, mean girl dynamics at the paper, being misled by scientists, and what we do and don’t know about Covid-19’s origins. As McNeil wrote in Wisdom of Plagues, "Covid coarsened us as a nation... The coarsening cracks our national skin. It makes us more vulnerable to infection."Also discussed:* Nancy tries not to fangirl. She fangirls anyway.* “It’s a great newspaper but it’s a second-rate corporation, and its personnel stuff is particularly bad.”* The walk McNeil took with James Bennet, a year after both getting booted from the Times, is a play we’d like to see* “Looks like Don nailed it. Let’s not tell him.” (!!!!!!)* NYT brass on their writing staff: “Widgets made here.”* Young turks vs. cranky old-timers in union leadership* The Daily Beast and Gawker do not cover themselves in glory* "The Western focus on personal liberty above all can kill."* The Mike Pesca of it all* The hope that Covid might “unite us with a common enemy” like WWII. Awww, what happened instead? We turned on each other.* “Ecstasy is a very good drug to get you talking”* McNeil = not a fan of Jay Battacharya* Thoughts on RFK!Plus, McNeil explains what “hot-box” once meant, where he thinks H5-N1 is going, how cancel culture is like the French Revolution, and much more!Does McNeil think Covid-19 was engineered in a virology lab or evolved in the wet market? Paid subscribers find out!