Erik Brandt is a graphic designer and educator. From 2013 to 2018, he curates the internationally recognized experimental typography project, Ficciones Typografika, which has just been commemorated with a book by Formist; and is the chair of the graphic design department at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design. In this episode, Jarrett and Erik talk about expanded practices, teaching alternative forms of design, and staying creative as you get older. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm.