Interview with the Conspirituality Trio: Navigating the Chakras of Conspiracy
Sep 19, 2023
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In this podcast, the hosts interview the Conspirituality Trio as they discuss the trend of conspiracy theories merging with spirituality. They explore topics such as interconnectedness, political tactics, Republican corruption, and the intersection of biohacking and spirituality. The speakers also address conflicts of interest, ethical issues, concerns raised by conspiracy theorists, and navigating trust in public health information. They delve into the shift towards scientific-based influencers, the view of religion by secular gurus, and the influence of health experts. They also touch on diverse perspectives, negative reviews, and conspiracy hypotheses suggested by Patreon supporters.
Conspiratoriality combines conspiracy theories with spirituality, seeking to heal the world through meditation and rejecting mainstream institutions.
Longing for an idealized past and rejecting modern institutions are common themes in conspiratorial and spiritual movements.
The wellness industry and conspiratoriality both reject mainstream authority and emphasize personal truth and self-improvement.
The hosts acknowledge the value of yoga and meditation while recognizing the complexities of the yoga and wellness world.
Navigating scientific and media literacy, engaging with critics, and recognizing personal biases are important aspects to consider in online discussions.
Deep dives
The Intersection of Conspiracy Theories and Spiritual Awakening
Conspiratoriality is an online social and religious movement where conspiracy theories become spiritual in nature. It draws from the New Age, Catholicism, evangelicalism, and other belief systems. Followers believe that becoming aware of the corruption in the world is part of a spiritual awakening, and they seek to heal the world through practices like meditation and rejecting mainstream institutions. This movement often leans towards right-wing extremism and libertarianism.
The Nostalgia for an Idealized Past
Many individuals in the conspiratorial and spiritual movements exhibit a longing for an idealized past. They romanticize a time when men were men and women were women, and there was a sense of purity and connection. This longing is often juxtaposed with the belief that we need to move backwards to move forwards, rejecting modern institutions and embracing spiritual techniques for self-optimization.
The Link between Conspiratoriality and the Wellness Industry
Conspiratoriality and the wellness industry share common themes, such as the rejection of mainstream authority, mistrust of institutions, and the pursuit of personal truth. While conspiratoriality focuses on conspiracy theories and spiritual awakening, the wellness industry emphasizes self-improvement and spiritual practices. Both movements ultimately seek to provide individuals with a sense of purpose and connection.
Balancing Critiques and Appreciation for Yoga and Wellness
The hosts of the podcast acknowledge the importance and value of practices like yoga and meditation. While they have critiqued certain aspects and figures within the wellness industry, they recognize the positive impact these practices can have on individuals. Their experiences and interactions have helped shape a more nuanced perspective on the complexities of the yoga and wellness world.
The importance of trust in forming beliefs
Trust in experts and social markers play a significant role in determining who we rely on for information.
The challenge of balancing scientific literacy and accessibility
Navigating scientific literacy and media literacy can be difficult, especially when trying to engage with a wider audience.
The temptation of charismatic figures and the need for critical self-reflection
Charisma and storytelling power can sometimes cloud judgment, leading to a need for self-reflection and a critical evaluation of one's own biases.
Dealing with criticism and maintaining an open mindset
While open to criticism and debate, engaging with critics can be challenging in an online environment, with the need to discern good-faith critiques from personal attacks or stereotypes.
Importance of Criticism and Challenges in Personal Growth
Navigating criticisms from an identitarian standpoint can be challenging but valuable for personal growth. These criticisms, particularly from the left, can provide insight into blind spots and improve understanding of one's positionality in the world.
Shift in Health Influencers towards Scientific Hysterism
The podcast explores the shift in health influencers like Andrew Huberman towards a more scientific approach. However, there is concern that the emphasis on cutting-edge scientific breakthroughs and exclusive supplements may border on pseudoscience. The discussion also raises the question of whether this shift is important or isolated and whether these influencers use scientific credibility to market themselves and endorse certain products.
Back in the early days of the podcast, we tried to take a rest from the wearisome repetition of polemical partisan gurus by covering JP Sears- an alternative-health self-help coach with a sideline in 'comedic parody'. Sadly, we soon discovered he was a red-pilled Roganite 'just asking questions' about all the usual right-wing partisan topics, but with an added dollop of pseudo-profound, self-indulgent spiritual blather.
JP Sears wasn't an isolated case; he exemplified a disturbingly prevalent trend. One that was supercharged during the pandemic and can be observed clearly in figures like Russell Brand, Aubrey Marcus, RFK Jnr and a whole slew of QAnon and anti-vaccine influencers.
To help us disentangle this quagmire and the dynamics at play, we are joined by the three co-hosts of the popular Conspiritualty podcast: Matthew Remski, Julian Walker, and Derek Beres.
We've spoken with them many times over the past few years about a variety of topics but in today's conversation, we explore the contemporary state of the Conspirituality sphere and discuss broader themes they have observed (& how they relate to the gurus we cover). We also examine whether they view activism as core to their podcast, how they handle attacks or engage with legitimate criticism, and how they feel about their own place in the ecosystems they discuss.
We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did!
Also covered in the opening segment is a cursed guru-sphere crossover between the Triggernometry guys and our old favourite, Scott Adams.