
Decoding the Gurus
An exiled Northern Irish anthropologist and a hitchhiking Australian psychologist take a close look at the contemporary crop of 'secular gurus', iconoclasts, and other exiles from the mainstream, offering their own brands of unique takes and special insights.
Leveraging two of the most diverse accents in modern podcasting, Chris and Matt dig deep into the claims, peek behind the psychological curtains, and try to figure out once and for all... What's it all About?
Join us, as we try to puzzle our way through and talk some smart-sounding smack about the intellectual giants of our age, from Jordan Peterson to Robin DiAngelo. Are they revolutionary thinkers or just grifters with delusions of grandeur?
Join us and let's find out!
Latest episodes

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May 4, 2025 • 3h 52min
Gary Stevenson: The People's Economist
Gary Stevenson, known as Gary's Economics, is a millionaire trader and YouTube personality who champions wealth equality. He shares his journey from East London to Citibank, critiquing the hoarding practices of the ultra-rich. Stevenson boldly addresses the failures of economists and politicians in tackling inequality, expressing frustration at being a lone voice against the establishment. His sardonic take on media and academia reveals the contradictions of being a wealthy advocate for the working class while pushing for substantial economic reforms.

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Apr 25, 2025 • 46min
Supplementary Material 27: Joe Rogan vs. Douglas Murray vs. Sam Harris vs. DTG
We immerse ourselves in the dark waves of the discourse to bring you treasures beyond mere mortal ken. Supplementary Material 2700:00 Introduction & Australian Holidays03:53 James Lindsay's New Revelations07:20 Michael O'Fallon's Conspiracy Hipsterism09:41 Trump, Bukele, and Transparent Conspiracies11:53 The Whitehouse declares the Lab Leak is a FACT14:42 The conspiracy leak treadmill: UFOs, RFK assassination, and lableak21:26 The Rise of the Idiots: Grimes on Transformers Cinematography29:17 Lex vs. Flint: The mask slips33:21 The Iron Curtain falls on Lex's Subreddit35:18 Subreddit Moderation Choices41:46 Douglas Murray on Joe Rogan46:36 Darryl Cooper's Nazi Apologetics, the Role of Experts and JAQs57:25 Strategic Disclaimers & Convincing Apologetics01:03:28 The Rogansphere and Media Power01:07:30 Murray on the Lab Leak01:12:19 Murray's Anti-Establishment Hypocrisy01:19:10 Standards in Journalism01:22:42 Alternative Media's Double Standards01:28:33 Douglas Murray joins Sam Harris01:29:26 The Psychology of Religious Extremism01:36:04 Radicalisation and Extremism01:41:24 Murray's 'Criticism' of MAGA01:44:32 What is even the Right Wing?01:55:11 What about Elon Musk?02:05:40 AfD isn't that bad, and Elon has promoted Douglas too!02:16:10 Rogan and the Moon Landing02:17:16 Sam is still a bad judge of character02:19:29 Isn't everyone a hypocrite?02:23:16 Free Speech Debates02:26:58 The role of Moderation02:31:37 OutroThe full episode is available for Patreon subscribers (2hr 32 mins).Join us at: https://www.patreon.com/DecodingTheGurusSourcesSam Harris Episode 410 Douglas Murray: The Whole CatastropheJoe Rogan Experience #2303 - Dave Smith & Douglas MurrayFlint's post about Lex FridmanGrimes on Transformers' cinematographyJames Lindsay on being used by NazisNathan Barley on YouTubeWhitehouse website on the Lab LeakJoe Rogan Experience #2307 - Tim Dillon

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Apr 18, 2025 • 2h 7min
Michael Shellenberger: Conspiratorial Propaganda
In this episode, Matt and Chris pour themselves a stiff drink and slip into the fever‑dream crossover of Jordan Peterson and Michael Shellenberger, a conversation that opens with the claim that Western Europe is now the single greatest threat to free speech; yes, croissants and GDPR apparently out‑authoritarian China and Russia. According to Shellenberger, we can now rest safe as free speech has been restored and “America Is Back!” thanks to God-Emperor Trump and the living avatar of honest utterance, Elon 'Horus' Musk.Our hosts marvel as Shellenberger insists USAID is a rogue soft‑power leviathan that somehow staged January 6th, sabotaged the 2020 election, and deserves to be nuked from orbit... although he can’t quite prove any of that YET. Alongside the conspiratorial drivel there is also a heavy serving of Peterson's obscurantist mythicism and dinner‑party anthropology as he explains how Hungary is a model democracy, the US nation beset by parasites, and that this is all inevitably connected to how people are not paying enough attention to Jesus.But that is not all! You will also learn about Manly Men vs. Gentlemen, Musk’s “move fast and break government” ethos, and the revelation that free speech is not a nice‑to‑have but a must‑have—unless you are a lawyer, journalist, or student on the wrong side of the Trump administration. So buckle up for an hour of dystopian déjà vu, as two self‑styled rebel intellectuals morph into state propagandists, cheerleading every single action of Trump and Musk while lecturing the rest of us on free thought.Sources“Trump, Musk, Kennedy: The Dawn of Transparency,” The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Ep. 526.Shellenberger's Substack, including gems like "Why Trump’s Victory Is, For Millions Of Us, Cathartic" and "Both USAID And The CIA Were Behind The Impeachment Of Trump in 2019"Taibbi & Shellenberger testify to the House Judiciary Committee to help uncover "the Biden-Harris Administration's unconstitutional censorship campaign"Singal-Minded articles detailing Shellenberger's sloppy journalism and conspiracy theories

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Apr 16, 2025 • 1h 17min
Decoding the Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps
In this engaging conversation, Australian broadcaster Josh Szeps sheds light on the intricacies of media dynamics and the gurusphere. He discusses the rising popularity of podcaster Lex Fridman, critiques culinary contrasts between Australia and the U.S., and dives into the complexities of navigating controversial topics. Humorously, Szeps recounts his past as the voice of Ollie the Kookaburra, while also tackling the challenges of open discourse in today's climate. Expect a mix of insightful analysis and playful anecdotes!

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Apr 12, 2025 • 1h 14min
Supplementary Material 26: Flint Dibble Interview, Bonding over Outgroup Hate, and Manly Sycophancy
Flint Dibble, an insightful archaeologist and friend of the podcast, dives into the latest discoveries about the pyramids of Giza and his experiences since appearing on the Joe Rogan Experience. He discusses the pitfalls of pseudo-archaeology and its ties to harmful ideologies, criticizing flawed research and the impact of public perceptions. Flint also sheds light on the complex dynamics between scientific communication and the allure of dramatic narratives, highlighting the challenges of addressing misinformation in today’s society.

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Apr 6, 2025 • 1h 23min
Lex Fridman & Douglas Murray: The Wise Man from the Land of Peace
Douglas Murray, a conservative commentator and thought leader in the IDW, joins Lex Fridman for a candid discussion on the Ukraine conflict. They explore Zelensky's controversial leadership style and Putin's misunderstood patriotism. The duo critiques the biases in mainstream narratives and emphasizes the emotional burden on leaders. They also highlight the dire human consequences of territorial disputes, shedding light on the moral complexities of war. Expect a mix of sharp insights and tongue-in-cheek commentary as they navigate these pressing geopolitical issues.

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Mar 30, 2025 • 41min
Supplementary Material 25: Ancient Pyramids, Sesame Street Monsters, & MORE Lab Leak Discourse
The discussion dives into the quirky blend of Lovecraft-inspired creatures and Sesame Street monsters. There's an engaging debate on health and wellness trends, featuring critiques of influencer culture and personal anecdotes. A lively examination of the lab leak theory unfolds, questioning the narratives surrounding COVID-19's origins. The hosts hilariously tackle the climbing challenges they face while showing support for one another. Personal life updates bring humor to philosophical discussions on neoliberalism, all while embracing the joys of spring.

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Mar 29, 2025 • 1h 29min
Mini Decoding: Back in the K-Hole
Joining the discussion is Dr. K, an enlightened Twitch non-therapy therapist known for his unique takes on mental health and spirituality. He unveils his latest revelations about the commercialization of enlightenment, suggesting you can now outsource spiritual growth to a guru for a price. Humor runs rampant as the conversation dives into surreal analogies, critiquing the absurdity of paying for spiritual relics while questioning the ethics of sponsorship in content creation. Expect a wild analysis of hustle culture and the complexities of authenticity in the marketplace of self-discovery!

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Mar 23, 2025 • 33min
Gurometer: Naomi Klein
The hosts introduce a quirky scoring system to evaluate cultural figures, starting with Naomi Klein. They dive into listener feedback, mixing praise and critique while reflecting on Klein's complex ideas. The discussion navigates the ideological challenges of analyzing influential thinkers and emphasizes skepticism in political narratives. They also tackle the intricacies of intellectual engagement, including cult dynamics and the integrity of research, making this conversation a captivating blend of humor and critical analysis.

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Mar 14, 2025 • 3h 24min
Naomi Klein: It was Neoliberal Capitalism all along!
Naomi Klein, a celebrated Canadian author and activist known for her incisive critiques of capitalism, joins the discussion. She dives into her latest book, *Doppelganger*, unpacking the 'Mirror World' of conspiracy theories and online misinformation. Klein shares her takes on Steve Bannon's curious influence and the troubling trajectory of Russell Brand. The conversation probes how neoliberal capitalism serves as the root of systemic issues and the societal impacts of rising inequality, all while highlighting the distractions posed by conspiracy narratives.
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