Dwarkesh Podcast
Andy Matuschak - Self-Teaching, Spaced Repetition, & Why Books Don’t Work
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Quick takeaways
- Developing strong metacognitive skills is essential for effective learning.
- Immersive and active learning experiences offer a more engaging and effective way of learning.
- Crowdfunding research projects require a balance between demonstrating progress and attracting funding.
- The education system should prioritize individual goals and engagement of students.
- Marketing and maintaining honesty in creative work can be challenging.
Deep dives
The role of memory in understanding difficult concepts
Understanding difficult concepts is heavily dependent on our memory of the constituent material. Our ability to recall and connect the relevant information is crucial for comprehension.
The disconnect between education system goals and student goals
The education system often prioritizes goals that may not align with the individual goals of students. This can result in students being disengaged and learning things they do not care about.
The importance of metacognition in effective learning
Developing strong metacognitive skills, such as asking questions, answering them, and reflecting on understanding, is essential for effective learning. It helps learners regulate their learning process and make connections between new information and prior knowledge.
The potential of immersive and active learning experiences
Immersive and active learning experiences, such as games and apprenticeships, offer opportunities for deeper engagement and skill development. These experiences can provide a more effective and engaging way of learning compared to traditional mediums like textbooks or lectures.
The allure of tools for thought and empowerment in crowdfunding
Tools for thought projects have gained popularity because they offer a sense of personal empowerment and possibility, reflecting the appeal of computers in individuals' formative years. Crowdfunding research projects are successful when they align with the interests of a broad audience, are interesting and understandable, and already show promising results. Churn rate, or subscriber attrition, is less related to project-specific activities and more influenced by marketing efforts to attract new subscribers. Crowdfunding is typically effective at later stages of research projects when progress can be regularly reported and when the project has already gained some traction. It may be challenging to crowdfund research projects in the early stages or those with limited broad applicability.
Factors for a successful crowdfunded research project
Successful crowdfunded research projects should have broad applicability and appeal to individuals with disposable income. Projects that have already made progress and can provide regular updates on their findings tend to be more successful. Early-stage research projects may require other funding sources or support from wealthy individuals. While crowdfunding offers opportunities for empowerment, it is crucial to recognize that design and marketing play essential roles in generating interest and sustainability for crowdfunding efforts.
Limitations and considerations in crowdfunding research projects
Crowdfunding research projects may face limitations when trying to attract funding at the early stages, especially if there is little progress to report. Projects with narrow focus or limited broad appeal may struggle to gain crowdfunding support. Churn rate, or the loss of subscribers, is often unaffected by project-specific activities and requires consistent marketing efforts. Crowdfunding works best when projects are understandable, interesting, and already show promise. Researchers seeking crowdfunding need to balance progress updates, project scope, and the ability to engage a broader audience.
The balance between progress and the need for crowdfunding
Crowdfunding research projects require a balance between demonstrating progress and attracting funding. The allure of tools for thought and personal empowerment often draws interest, particularly among individuals who were influenced by the power of computers in their formative years. Crowdfunding is typically successful when projects align with the interests of an audience, offer understandable and interesting concepts, and have made some progress. Early-stage research projects may require other funding sources or support from wealthy individuals, while crowdfunding tends to be more effective at later stages when regular updates can be provided.
The Benefit of Crowdfunding
The podcast episode discusses the benefits of crowdfunding as a way to support creative projects. The speaker shares his experience with crowdfunding, explaining that it has worked for him and has helped fund specific projects. He mentions that crowdfunding takes time and effort to build a subscriber base, but starting early can be advantageous. The speaker also acknowledges that crowdfunding may not be suitable for sustaining teams or institutions, but it has been effective for supporting his individual work.
The Challenges of Marketing and Audience Influence
The episode explores the challenges of marketing and maintaining honesty in creative work. The speaker shares concerns about the corrosive influence of marketing on honest inquiry and the temptation to distort work for audience appeal. They discuss the importance of staying true to their own interests and investigation, rather than conforming to what is more likely to be well-received. The speaker also highlights the difficulties of promoting subscriber-only content and balancing the desire for broad public consumption with offering special content for supporters.
A few weeks ago, I sat beside Andy Matuschak to record how he reads a textbook.
Even though my own job is to learn things, I was shocked with how much more intense, painstaking, and effective his learning process was.
So I asked if we could record a conversation about how he learns and a bunch of other topics:
* How he identifies and interrogates his confusion (much harder than it seems, and requires an extremely effortful and slow pace)
* Why memorization is essential to understanding and decision-making
* How come some people (like Tyler Cowen) can integrate so much information without an explicit note taking or spaced repetition system.
* How LLMs and video games will change education
* How independent researchers and writers can make money
* The balance of freedom and discipline in education
* Why we produce fewer von Neumann-like prodigies nowadays
* How multi-trillion dollar companies like Apple (where he was previously responsible for bedrock iOS features) manage to coordinate millions of different considerations (from the cost of different components to the needs of users, etc) into new products designed by 10s of 1000s of people.
Watch on YouTube. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here. Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes.
To see Andy’s process in action, check out the video where we record him studying a quantum physics textbook, talking aloud about his thought process, and using his memory system prototype to internalize the material.
You can check out his website and personal notes, and follow him on Twitter.
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Timestamps
(00:00:52) - Skillful reading
(00:02:30) - Do people care about understanding?
(00:06:52) - Structuring effective self-teaching
(00:16:37) - Memory and forgetting
(00:33:10) - Andy’s memory practice
(00:40:07) - Intellectual stamina
(00:44:27) - New media for learning (video, games, streaming)
(00:58:51) - Schools are designed for the median student
(01:05:12) - Is learning inherently miserable?
(01:11:57) - How Andy would structure his kids’ education
(01:30:00) - The usefulness of hypertext
(01:41:22) - How computer tools enable iteration
(01:50:44) - Monetizing public work
(02:08:36) - Spaced repetition
(02:10:16) - Andy’s personal website and notes
(02:12:44) - Working at Apple
(02:19:25) - Spaced repetition 2
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