Dmitri Alperovitch talks with Michael Kofman (Carnegie Endowment for International Peace), Rob Lee (Foreign Policy Research Institute) and Andrey Liscovich (UkraineDefenseFund.org) how the proliferation of FPV drones and countermeasures to them are changing the nature of warfare in Ukraine.

They discuss:

- Advantages and disadvantages of these new platforms

- The development of new tactics and force structures employing them

- The challenge Ukraine is having with developing and procuring munitions for drones

- The cat-and-mouse battle in electronic warfare countermeasures used by both sides

- Whether FPVs provide an advantage to defense or offense

- The implications of drones on counterbattery and naval warfare

- How Ukraine has emerged as a testing ground for these new technologies and the vital need for Western militaries to better absorb lessons learned from this conflict

- How drones are becoming the cheap 'generic', albeit lesser capable, alternatives to expensive 'brand-name' weapon systems such as missiles, torpedoes, ISR platforms, etc.

Andrey also discussed how his 501c(3) charity, UkraineDefenseFund.org, is helping train new Ukrainian FPV operators at the total cost of just $500 in 3 weeks.

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