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A Spy’s Soul and a Pipe Bomb Mystery
Feb 10, 2022
Colin Clarke discusses the Jan. 6 pipe bombs case while Jim Lawler explores the moral considerations of recruiting spies. They also delve into the Capitol storming investigation, the role of a CIA case officer, and the compromised soul of spies.
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- Recruiting foreigners to commit treason can come at the cost of losing a bit of your soul.
- Investigative tools used in the Capitol pipe bomb case include surveillance video, gate analysis, license plate readers, satellite imagery, human intelligence, and tips from the public.
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Recruiting Foreign Spies to Commit Treason
Former CIA officer Jim Lawler discusses the psychological dynamics and moral considerations involved in recruiting foreigners to commit treason against their governments. He acknowledges that while the work is done for the United States, it can sometimes come at the cost of losing a bit of your soul. Lawler shares his experience of manipulating and owning sources, highlighting the rush that comes with controlling them and having them do what you want.
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