Collapsing Timelines with Holisticism's Michelle & Wallis
Apr 1, 2023
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Michelle and Wallis, hosts of The Twelfth House and Good For U(?) podcasts, talk about the beginning days of Holisticism, expanding the team, and podcasting as a medium. They also discuss regret, string theory, breakups, collapsing timelines, and undefined friendships.
Holisticism has grown from a one-woman show to a team that prioritizes self-motivated individuals and collaborative decision-making.
Aligning work with personal values and finding joy in the process is crucial for personal growth and fulfillment.
Delegating responsibilities, creating a collaborative environment, and prioritizing communication are key aspects of effective management.
Trust is essential in managing a team, and the fear of being seen and canceled can hinder personal growth and self-expression.
Deep dives
Building a Team and Evolution of Holisticism
Holisticism started as a one-woman show but has grown to include a team of employees and contractors. Michelle initially hired Ice to manage the community, and later Wallace, Janelle, and Jessica joined the team. Michelle highlights the importance of hiring individuals who are self-motivated and giving them opportunities to explore their interests and strengths. The team collaboratively makes decisions and prioritizes work that aligns with their values, ensuring that everyone is engaged and fulfilled in their roles.
The Connection Between Work and Personal Growth
Michelle and Wallace discuss how their work is connected to their personal growth and purpose. They believe that our work and sacred work are intertwined, as our work reflects the lessons and experiences we choose in this lifetime. They emphasize the importance of aligning work with personal values and finding joy in the process. They acknowledge that work goes through different phases, including exploration and execution, and that it is essential to listen to one's intuition and prioritize learning and growth to avoid burnout and maintain fulfillment.
Team Management and Growth
Michelle reflects on her growth as a manager and leader. While acknowledging that managing doesn't come naturally to her, she recognizes the importance of hiring self-motivated individuals who make management easier. Through her experience, Michelle has learned to delegate responsibilities, create a collaborative environment, and prioritize open communication within the team. Wallace also acknowledges Michelle's growth in leadership and sees her as an effective manager.
Lessons from previous managerial experiences
Michelle and Wallace discuss their previous experiences in managing teams. Both reflect on their growth and the challenges they faced in their twenties when they had to manage people without much experience. They highlight the importance of humility, honesty, and open dialogue when managing and leading teams. Michelle values the input and skills of her team members and encourages them to explore their interests.
Building Trust and Letting Go of Control
One of the main insights discussed in the podcast is the importance of trust in managing a team. The speaker shares their experience of needing to trust others who are better than them at certain tasks and the challenges that come with it. They highlight that trust is key in being a good manager and discuss how lack of trust can hinder effective management. Furthermore, they mention a personal experience of letting someone go and emphasize that managing people is not for the faint of heart.
Fear of Being Seen and Rejection
Another key point addressed in the podcast is the fear of being seen and the associated fears of being canceled or rejected. The speaker shares their own struggles with this fear and the pressures of wanting to be perceived as cool or popular. They discuss the importance of embracing one's true self and letting go of the need to be perceived as cool or part of the popular crowd. They also touch on the idea that being cringe or deeply uncool can actually be cool in its own way.
Managing Energy and Marketing
Energy management is a topic explored during the podcast episode. The speakers highlight the importance of understanding one's own energy and finding a balance between work and personal life. They discuss the concept of identifying the top three most important tasks for each week, which helps in prioritizing and managing energy effectively. Additionally, the episode touches on the topic of marketing, emphasizing the significance of non-coercive marketing and avoiding the fear of promoting one's work or asking for support. They stress the importance of providing choices to potential consumers and debunk the idea that marketing is something to be embarrassed about.
This week I spoke with Michelle and Wallis, hosts of The Twelfth House and Good For U(?) podcasts. They had me on a few months ago and we had such a great conversation that I asked if we could talk more on this one. Michelle and I have been friends for ages, she’s the founder of Holisticism. Wallis joined the team a few years ago, and she, like Michelle, is so smart and cool as you’ll hear. We talk about the beginning days of Holisticism, a space that bridges the gap between the mystic and the realistic to make well-being more accessible to more people. We covered how it has expanded, including how they’ve built their team, advice for management, hiring, non-coercive marketing, failure, curation vs creation, prioritization as “squiggly brained" people, and podcasting as a medium (they both used the Podcast Kit to start their shows). And then we get into regret, string theory, breakups, collapsing timelines, undefined friendships, and much more. Let us know if you listen.
Show Notes:
- The Podcast Kit that we talk about (Michelle & Wallis were students) is now 50% off with code SPRING
