244. Stop Carrying Other People’s Pain with Chloé Cooper Jones
Sep 26, 2023
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In this podcast, Chloé Cooper Jones, author of Easy Beauty, shares her struggle with being dehumanized due to her disabled body. She discusses the connection between desire and disgust, the importance of being seen as whole, and how to overcome negative assumptions. The podcast also touches on the tension between connection and exclusion, personal growth, self-discovery, and work ethic. The episode concludes with expressions of gratitude and a call to action.
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Chloé Cooper Jones shares her concept of the neutral room as a coping mechanism for physical pain, highlighting the importance of finding a balance between agency and avoiding social pain or responsibilities.
Jones explores the themes of disgust and desire in the context of her experience as a disabled woman, emphasizing the significance of embracing her own humanity and seeking genuine connections with others.
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Chloe Cooper Jones: Exploring the Neutral Room
Chloe Cooper Jones, a professor, journalist, and author, discusses her concept of the neutral room and its impact on her life. The neutral room is a mental space of remove that she developed as a way to manage and cope with physical pain. While the neutral room can provide agency and control, Jones also acknowledges its potential pitfalls, such as avoiding social pain or responsibilities. She explores the challenges of finding the threshold between productive pain and complicity and the importance of genuine presence and connection with others.
Freedom from Disgust and Desires: Embracing Wholeness
Jones delves into the themes of disgust and desire in relation to her experience as a disabled woman. She examines how disgust and dismissal from others can impact her self-worth and create a divide between herself and the world. Jones reflects on her journey towards embracing her own humanity and how it relates to her role as a mother. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing the differences between bravery and cowardice in standing apart from the crowd and seeking connection with others.
Where do you go to escape the pain of reality? Today, author Chloé Cooper Jones shares:
The survival strategy many of us use to retreat from our lives and how to become more present;
How she grapples with the world dehumanizing her disabled body;
Why desire and disgust are so connected – and what they teach us; and
The thing Chloé wants most – to be seen as inherently whole – and how to get it.
About Chloé:
Chloé Cooper Jones is a professor, journalist, and the author of the memoir Easy Beauty, which was named a best book of 2022 by The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, TIME Magazine, and was a finalist for the 2023 Pulitzer Prize in Memoir. She was also a Pulitzer Prize finalist in Feature Writing in 2020. She lives in Brooklyn, New York.