Dave is joined by Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs). They talk about finding your best skills, articulating a company POV, developing a marketing strategy, a framework for demand generation, self reported attribution, LinkedIn, community, observations from what Refine Labs is seeing with B2B marketers today, and lessons from Chris' own LinkedIn strategy.

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