Sheila Heti joins Jordan to talk about grief, god, the shape of her novel, and what it means to be rooting for the snail.

Mentioned:

"The Unknown Masterpiece" by Honoré de Balzac
The Masterpiece by Émile Zola
Sarah Ruhl
Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoyevsky
The Remains of the Day by Kazuo Ishiguro

Sheila Heti is the author of several books of fiction and nonfiction, including Motherhood and How Should a Person Be?, which New York magazine deemed one of the “New Classics of the 21st century.” She was named one of “the New Vanguard” by the New York Times book critics, who, along with a dozen other magazines and newspapers, chose Motherhood as a Best Book of 2018. Her novels have been translated into twenty-four languages. She is the former Interviews Editor of The Believer magazine. She lives in Toronto.

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