Today we'll be talking to Musa Okwonga. Musa is a writer, broadcaster, poet, speaker, musician. author, sportswriter, broadcaster and commentator on current affairs. He's also the first person to come on the podcast three times (twice here and once in the previous 'Hummus For Thought' one).

He most recently published a wonderful short book called "In The End, It Was All About Love" and published by Rough Trade Books, as well as "One of Them: An Eton College Memoir" published by Unbound.

You can find this podcast on YouTube too.

Topics discussed:

• Brexit
• Leaving home
• Racism
• The Holocaust
• Being a migrant
• European fascism
• Living in the future
• Visibility as racialised people
• Ethics of taking certain gigs as freelancers
• Going to Eton
• The importance of doing therapy
• The role of football

Books Mentioned:

• The Three Mothers: How the Mothers of Martin Luther King, Jr.,  Malcolm X, and James Baldwin Shaped a Nation by Anna Malaika Tubbs
• Songs My Enemy Taught Me by Joelle Taylor
• Brown Baby: A Memoir of Race, Family and Home by Nikesh Shukla

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Music by Tarabeat.