To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Olivia Troye: The Enemy Within, Shutdowns, and Jane Goodall

Oct 2, 2025
In this engaging conversation, Olivia Troye, a former national security adviser to Vice President Pence, shares her insights on political turmoil and institutional fear dynamics during the Trump administration. They explore Trump’s ‘trolling’ tactics and discuss the potential for a third term. Olivia reflects on Jane Goodall’s legacy of courage and the impact of military rhetoric on American politics. The dialogue also touches on the concerning evolution of ICE and the chilling effects of indictments on public servants. It's a compelling blend of urgency and introspection.
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INSIGHT

Trolling As A Governing Style

  • Charlie Sykes realized the Oval Office photo with Trump 2028 hats was real and emblematic of trolling as policy.
  • He warns performative theatrics from the presidency normalize unconstitutional messaging and threats.
ANECDOTE

Jane Goodall As A Model For Courage

  • Olivia Troye paused the shutdown coverage to reflect on Jane Goodall's life and courage.
  • She used Goodall's example to argue science, empathy, and individual courage can inspire action amid political turmoil.
ANECDOTE

Dogs Reflect Political Stress

  • Olivia describes noticing her dogs sensing her stress during political events like the Comey indictment.
  • She connects that animal empathy to Goodall's findings about sentience and emotional bonds.
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