199: Inside Anti-Abortion Christian Nationalism (w/Rob Schenck)
Mar 28, 2024
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Former Evangelical leader Rob Schenck discusses his conversion away from the anti-abortion movement towards advocating for reproductive rights. He reveals the dangers of Christian Nationalism's influence in American politics and offers insights on pushing back against its aggression.
Evangelical movement intertwined with anti-abortion activism fuels Christian Nationalism in politics.
Moral compromise and ideological hardening within the anti-abortion movement reflect broader societal pressures.
Dissonance between pro-life rhetoric and practices, such as using fetal remains as political tools, undermines sanctity of life advocacy.
Deep dives
Formation of Anti-Abortion Movement and Christian Nationalism
The podcast episode delves into how the Republican Party co-opted American evangelicalism, leading to the fusion of racist and misogynistic impulses that fueled a highly politicized anti-abortion movement. The guest, Rob Schenk, reflects on his journey from a civil rights-oriented Christian faith to militant pro-life activism, driven by a belief in protecting the unborn as the most vulnerable. His involvement in blockades, verbal abuse of women at clinics, and handling of fetal remains as political props highlights a gradual hardening of ideologies and detachment from the emotional realities of those impacted.
Internal Struggles and Moral Compromises
Rob Schenk discusses the gradual evolution of his views within the anti-abortion movement, highlighting internal struggles and moral compromises faced. He recalls a 10-year process where he initially challenged traditional anti-abortion groups by advocating for more diverse representation, including women and people of color. However, pressures to conform to established norms and maintain financial support eventually led to a significant moral compromise, symbolizing a shift towards a more rigid and conventional approach within the movement.
Objectification and Cognitive Dissonance
The episode explores the objectification of women and fetuses within the pro-life activism, exposing the cognitive dissonance present in the movement's practices. Despite advocating for the sanctity of unborn life, the use of fetal remains as political props and the symbolic treatment of fetuses diminishes the supposed reverence for life, showcasing a discord between rhetoric and actions in the movement.
Influence of Evangelical Movement on Political Landscape
The episode presents a detailed account of how the evangelical movement's focus on issues such as abortion led to significant political involvement, particularly in influencing judicial decisions and policies. The guest shares insights on how efforts were made to sway conservative Supreme Court justices by connecting them with wealthy donors. This approach aimed to strategically overturn the Roe v. Wade decision, showcasing the intricate dynamics between religion, finance, and politics within the evangelical movement.
Impact of Evangelical Zeal on Political Figures
The discussion delves into the intersection of evangelical beliefs and political power, highlighting how charismatic leaders like Donald Trump capitalized on evangelical fervor for their own agendas. The guest reflects on witnessing Trump's early engagement with evangelical circles and the subsequent loss of moral compass within the movement. Drawing parallels to historical missteps in aligning with political figures, the guest emphasizes the need for introspection and moral realignment within evangelical communities to prevent the distortion of religious principles for worldly gains.
Reverend Rob Schenck spent 30 years on the front lines of the Evangelical war against Roe V. Wade. He blockaded abortion clinics, screamed at women in crisis, used fetal remains as political props, and helped wage a covert war of moneyed influence over federal officials to end abortion access.
Now, in a return to his deeper religious commitments, he is repenting his past. In an interview with Matthew, he discusses his blissful conversion experience as a teenager rooted in what he believed was a radical social justice movement. And he describes what he now sees: an anti-abortion movement helping to galvanize the Christian Nationalism poised to wreak havoc on American politics, and what we can do to push back against its aggression.