New York magazine's Kerry Howley—journalist, author, professor and screenwriter— joins the show to discuss reporting on the deep state, whether we did Red Eye together back in the day, academia, moral certainty, Reality Winner, profile writing, interviewing, living and writing in Burma, her cover story on Andrew Huberman, Britney Spears, whether she ever feels afraid when reporting, getting kicked out of jail, and so much more. We also discuss her books and movie, and we did a round of Just Me Or Everyone and Podcast Pals Product Picks.

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