This podcast explores the latest developments from the Trump indictments in Fulton County, GA, Washington, DC, and the Southern District of Florida. Topics include RICO charges, problematic court decisions, a civil criminal hybrid argument, challenges of handling a massive amount of discovery, conflicts of interest, and speculating on potential witness flips and DOJ pressure.
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Quick takeaways
The judge in the Garcia hearing needs to determine if there is a conflict of interest between defense counsel Stanley Woodward and his former clients, Walt Nauta and Yuskel Taveras, and decide how to proceed.
The Justice Department has requested a delay in Mark Meadows' trial date due to the extensive amount of discovery that needs to be reviewed, while Meadows' lawyer argues against the delay.
Former Trump official Jeff Clark's argument to classify his case as civil rather than criminal using the civil removal statute is being opposed by the government, emphasizing that the case should proceed as a criminal matter.
Deep dives
Conflicts of interest arise in the Garcia hearing
In the Garcia hearing, it was revealed that there is a potential conflict of interest between defense counsel Stanley Woodward and his former clients, Walt Nauta and Yuskel Taveras. Woodward has represented both individuals, but Taveras is also a key witness against Donald Trump and Nauta in the case. Woodward argues that there is no conflict of interest and suggests that Taveras should be prohibited from testifying to avoid the conflict. However, the government opposes this and points out that Taveras' testimony is crucial to the case against Trump and Nauta. The judge will need to determine if there is a conflict of interest and if so, how to proceed.
Justice Department seeks delay in trial date
The Justice Department has requested a delay in the trial date for Mark Meadows' case due to the large amount of discovery that needs to be reviewed. Trump's lawyer, Stanley Woodward, argues against the delay and points out that the government has already provided extensive discovery materials. The judge will need to consider the arguments and determine a reasonable trial date.
Arguments made in opposition to removal of Mark Meadows' case to federal court
Mark Meadows, former chief of staff for Donald Trump, has filed a motion to remove his case to federal court. The government opposes this motion and points out that Meadows' argument is flawed. The government explains that the case should remain in state court and highlights the reasons why Meadows' motion should be denied.
Summary of Main Idea 1
The podcast episode discusses the legal maneuvering and arguments made by Jeff Clark, a former Trump official, in an attempt to avoid arrest and indictment. Clark utilizes the civil removal statute to argue that his case should be considered civil rather than criminal, as being classified as a civil case would allow him to halt the progress of the case in state court. However, the government opposes Clark's argument and contends that the case should proceed as a criminal matter, emphasizing that Clark's use of civil powers to launch the case should not exempt him from the consequences.
Summary of Main Idea 2
The podcast episode provides an update on the trial date proposed by special counsel Jack Smith for the election interference case against former President Trump. While Smith suggests a trial date in January 2024, Trump's lawyers counter with a proposed trial date in April 2026. Trump's legal team argues that they need extensive time to handle the large volume of discovery already turned over, which includes 11.5 million pages of documents and electronic data. However, the government opposes Trump's delay tactics, asserting that a trial in January would not deny him due process and pointing out that Trump's significant resources should enable him to handle the discovery efficiently.
Liz and Andrew check in on the latest developments from the Trump indictments in Fulton County, GA with a RICOsplainer and a gaggle of removals; in Washington, DC with a complaint about a Statue of Liberty-sized mountain of discovery; and in the Southern District of Florida with an argument so bad it took Stan Woodward to make it.
In the Patreon bonus, the duo tackle yet another chimera bred by Jeff "Oil Spill" Clark.