For years, a small band of economists pushed an unorthodox approach to government spending (particularly in the U.S.), arguing that concern about deficits and debt was wildly overblown. Now, with measures to contain the novel coronavirus shutting down commerce around the world, and fiscal authorities spending trillions of dollars to fill the gap, it’s starting to become more popular.

Stephanie Kelton, an economist and adviser to Senator Bernie Sanders, the now-former Democratic presidential candidate, has been one of the most prominent advocates of Modern Monetary Theory. On this week’s episode, host Stephanie Flanders talks with Kelton about her thoughts on the fiscal response so far, and whether President Donald Trump has indeed joined the crowd of MMT advocates.

Tom Orlik, Bloomberg’s chief economist, also puts the government and central bank actions into perspective, while global trade correspondent Shawn Donnan discusses how his beat has changed during the pandemic.

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