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20VC: Why Salesforce, SAP and Concur Will Die | Scaling 3x and Raising at a $9.2BN Valuation in COVID | How OpenAI is Changing the Travel Industry Forever | Never Before Revealed Margins on Travel and Expense Management with Ariel Cohen, Co-Founder & CEO

Feb 8, 2023

Ariel Cohen, Co-founder and CEO of Navan, shares thrilling insights from his journey of scaling the travel management super-app during the pandemic. He argues that SAP and Salesforce will crumble due to innovation stagnation and reveals how startups can maintain their edge. Cohen discusses education's shortcomings, emphasizing the need for personal interest in learning. He also touches on the transformative role of AI in travel, predicting a rise in margins and efficiency. Listeners will gain valuable perspectives on resilience and the future of venture capital.

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How OpenAI is Driving Innovation and Value for Navan

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Intro

3min

Revolutionizing Learning: Interest-Driven Education and Parenting Insights

3min

Innovation and Resilience in Business

17min

The Innovation Imperative: A Tech Landscape Shift

9min

Navigating Profitability in Travel Management

8min

Rapid Reflections on Success, Family, and Business Insights

2min

Envisioning the Future of Venture Capital and AI's Impact

3min

Ariel Cohen is the Co-Founder and CEO @ Navan (formerly TripActions), the #1 travel management super-app used by over 8,000 companies. Ariel has raised over $2BN for Navan from some of the best including a16z, Zeev Ventures, Lightspeed, Greenoaks, and Elad Gil. Prior to TripActions, Ariel co-founded streamOnce, a business multimedia integration platform that was successfully acquired by Jive Software, where Ariel had previously served in a senior position following his time at Hewlett-Packard.

In Today's Episode with Ariel Cohen We Discuss:

1.) Why Education is Outdated and Wisdom to People Entering the Working World:

Why did Ariel not really attend many classes when he was a student?
What would be his biggest advice to young people leaving school today? Where would he focus?
Why does Ariel believe that traditional education is more outdated now than ever before?

2.) Why SAP and Salesforce Will Die:

Why does Ariel believe that SAP and Salesforce have not innovated for a decade?
Why does Ariel believe that Slack is a disaster inside of Salesforce?
What are the single biggest advantages that startups have over these large incumbents?
What can startups do to retain innovation and speed as they scale into becoming an incumbent?
Why are the best founders willing to kill their own projects?

3.) Growing a Business 3x and Raising at a $9.2BN Valuation in COVID:

How did Ariel grow the business 3x with all travel being banned?
What were the tactics to blitz scaling during COVID?
How did Ariel approach his investors for a new round in the middle of COVID? How did he get such a high price in the midst of a global pandemic?
What is the bull case for how Navan can be a $40BN company?

4.) Margins Matter: Gaining Leverage Through Additional Margin:

With Navan's 80% margin, they have 30% higher margins than other competitors, how do they have such high margins?
With the additional 30%, how does Ariel plan to scale Navan's reach and use the margin to do so?
How does OpenAI play a role in helping Navan increase its margin even further?