

Downstream: How to Be a Morally Effective Person w/ Rutger Bregman
May 26, 2025
Rutger Bregman, a historian and public intellectual famous for addressing tax fairness and advocating for universal basic income, engages with Aaron Bastani in a thought-provoking conversation. They dive into the limitations of current activism, revealing how major protests often fail to drive change. Bregman critiques the balance between individual actions and collective movements and discusses the evolving debate around Universal Basic Income. He challenges traditional views on philanthropy and urges for moral ambition in political engagement, emphasizing a clear path to impactful societal transformation.
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Tax Avoidance Ignored by Elites
- Rutger Bregman highlights tax avoidance as the key issue billionaires avoid discussing.
- He compares it to a firefighter conference where no one talks about water, emphasizing simplicity over philanthropy schemes.
UBI's Uneven Progress and Promise
- Universal Basic Income (UBI) experiments increased but political progress remains slow.
- UBI shows more positive effects in poorer countries and remains essential for future automation challenges.
Regulations Block Building Progress
- Building is hindered by outdated regulations and legal obstacles, not just capitalist hoarding.
- To solve housing and energy crises, the left must shift from blocking to enabling construction.