We cannot wait for you to hear our conversation with Maria Bowler. Maria's life has followed a delightfully winding path from magazine editor to an MA in religious studies, from years studying with nuns to creative coach. She is also who Caitlin wants to be when they grow up and, most recently, an author of the recently released book, Making Time: A New Vision for Crafting a Life Beyond Productivity. At the heart of it, Maria generously offers us tools for getting off the conveyor belt of production and into a life of being/making – a creative life that keeps us connected to reality. Our conversation came at exactly the right time.

Tune in to hear us talk about:

👤How Maria Bowler became Maria Bowler (hint: it involves "failing" a lot).

🛝 Looking at schedules as supports and goals as playgrounds (not structures we need to fit our beings into).

🍼 Early parenting emotions (and the shame that comes when we judge them).

✨ The fruitful relationship between reality and imagined futures.

🌱 Valuing the tiny when the world's suffering is enormous.

📱Our shifting relationships with social media.

🔥 Trusting what is alive in us and expanding our creative edges.

⛪ Maria's time with the Benedictine nuns and how that shaped her understanding of creativity.

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