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Facts vs Feelings with Ryan Detrick & Sonu Varghese

Talking Macro with Neil Dutta (Ep. 47)

Aug 16, 2023
Neil Dutta, Managing Director and Head of Economics at Renaissance Macro Research, joins Ryan Detrick & Sonu Varghese to chat about macroeconomics and the current state of the economy. They discuss recession risks, the impact of inventories on GDP, fiscal policy, limitations of indicators like PMIs, concerns about the Fed, and more.
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Quick takeaways

  • The risk lies in the Fed prematurely declaring victory and taking their foot off the brake pedal, potentially leading to a mispriced back end and a market-driven tightening.
  • The PMIs are a good rough indicator, but overreliance and running models solely based on them can be misleading.

Deep dives

Resilience of the Economy

The economy is described as resilient and has been able to absorb a significant rate tightening campaign. Cyclical industries like housing and autos are accelerating, suggesting that the long and variable lags argument doesn't hold. The risk lies in the Fed prematurely declaring victory and taking their foot off the brake pedal, potentially leading to a mispriced back end and a market-driven tightening. The economy's growth has reduced the risk of recession and stagflation, and the odds of a soft landing have gone up, but there is also a higher risk of an inflationary boom.

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