87. Decoding Cody: Autism, Angels, and Telepathy on Trial | Pastor Joe Infranco

Jan 14, 2026

Pastor Joe Infranco, a former attorney and founder of Hidden Gifts Ministry, explores the fascinating world of non-speaking autistic individuals who share profound spiritual messages. He discusses the concept of 'telepathy,' reframing it as spiritual gifts like 'prophetic insight.' Joe shares compelling stories, including one about a young man named Cody, who describes visions of angels and Jesus. He addresses skepticism around these claims and highlights the potential of autistic individuals as messengers of God’s love. Joe envisions a new cultural impact for the church, inspired by these unique revelations.

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INSIGHT

Spiritual Gifts Not Sci‑Fi Telepathy

Joe Infranco reframes “telepathy” as biblical spiritual gifts like a word of knowledge or prophetic insight.
He emphasizes these experiences often involve empathy, impressions, or seeing spiritual colors rather than radio-like mind broadcasts.

ANECDOTE

Cody Validates Angels While Book Is Read

While Joe was writing, Cody interrupted a hotel reading and said Elisha because Jesus told him they were reading about angels.
Cody later spelled that he really does see angels, confirming the connection to the manuscript content.

ADVICE

Evaluate By Message And Motive

Judge these experiences by their content and biblical alignment rather than cultural discomfort alone.
Ask whether messages align with Scripture and whether speakers have motive or credibility to deceive.

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The Telepathy Tapes took the podcast world by storm in 2024. All of a sudden, we had falsifiable evidence that non-speaking autistic people could read minds. But this phenomenon was only the tip of a massive iceberg. What the Telepathy Tapes refused to publicize was the fact that these individuals relate messages from the God of Israel and from Jesus himself, expressions of unfathomable love, calls to repentance and reminders that Jesus is coming quickly. Our guest, Pastor Joe Infranco, exercised the intellectual rigor he learned in his first career as an attorney to get to the bottom of this phenomenon.

👉 Key Discussion Points:

► Biblical Gifts vs. "Telepathy": While some secular observers label the ability to know others' thoughts as "telepathy," Joe Infranco frames this phenomenon within the context of 1 Corinthians 12 spiritual gifts, such as "prophetic insight" or a "word of knowledge." He notes that many of these individuals are highly empathetic and "pick up thoughts" or see spiritual colors around people rather than experiencing literal, radio-like mind reading.

► A Rigorous Testing of the Supernatural: As a former attorney, Infranco uses a "preponderance of the evidence" legal standard to validate supernatural claims. He argues that instead of demanding absolute certainty, believers should weigh evidence. Does the message provided line up biblically? Do the speakers have any motivation to lie? With objections and evidence on a scale which side is more persuasive?

► God’s Use of "Overlooked Instruments": A central theme of the episode is that God may be choosing "heretofore overlooked instruments" to communicate ancient truths to the modern world. Infranco shares that many non-speaking individuals report seeing into the spiritual realm—including angels, demons, and Jesus—and feel a divine mandate to share messages of love and calls to repentance with a world that has often ignored them.

🔖 Chapters

00:00 From Attorney to Pastor: A Journey of Faith

03:55 The Phenomenon of Telepathy and Spiritual Gifts

08:28 Skepticism and Validation: The Journey of Belief

14:13 Theological Concerns and Spiritual Discernment

24:12 Providing Biblical Perspectives to Spiritual Experiences

31:59 Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

34:59 Messages from the Spiritual Realm

38:35 Seeing the Future and Angels

41:59 The Nature of Heaven and Relationship with God

45:35 The Role of Autism in God's Plan

49:19 Jewish Concepts Revealed through Autistic

53:20 Signs of the Times: Prophetic Insights

57:29 God's Unique Strategies in Reaching People

01:00:34 Hope and the Future of Faith

👉 Resources:

Instagram: @pastorjoeinfranco

Hidden Gifts Ministry

Decoding Cody: Secrets of the Spectrum from People with Autism Who See, Hear, and Smell in the Unseen Realm

The Telepathy Tapes

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