

Debbie Millman & Roxane Gay on Love, Creativity, and the Discipline to Grow
May 12, 2025
Debbie Millman, a legendary designer and podcast host, joins bestselling author Roxane Gay to explore the intersection of love and creativity. They share insights from their new book, discussing how personal growth mirrors gardening. Topics include the often invisible path to success, the importance of resilience in the face of failure, and the necessity of prioritizing what truly matters. They candidly address the challenges of work culture and advocate for a more meaningful, sustainable approach to creativity and career.
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Magical Love Story
- Roxane Gay describes her relationship with Debbie Millman as magical and a miracle that started later in life.
- Roxane appreciated Debbie's persistence and found in her exactly what she wished for in a partner.
Relentless Trying Amid Failure
- Debbie Millman shares how her life story is about relentless trying and experimentation despite repeated failures.
- She explains having a little more hope than shame keeps her pushing through challenges.
The Invisible Work Behind Success
- Roxane Gay highlights the hidden years of toil behind apparent overnight success.
- Success requires repetitive effort, failing, learning, and trying again.