The Ben Shapiro Show THESE Are The Greatest Stories Ever Told w/ Jonathan Pageau
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Dec 23, 2025 
Jonathan Pageau, a talented liturgical artist and religious symbolism expert, delves into the world of fairy tales and their deep biblical roots. He explains how these stories reflect profound cultural truths and why they continue to resonate. Pageau discusses the interplay between magic and morality, contrasting prayer with the manipulative nature of magic. They explore the complexities of fairy tale characters like Jack, the implications of roles in storytelling, and how ancient narratives inform modern societal structures. A fascinating dive into the heart of storytelling awaits!
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Fairy Tales Mirror Biblical Patterns
- Fairy tales function as an accessible, downstream language of biblical stories using similar archetypal patterns.
- Jonathan Pageau argues they transmit deep cultural meanings in a more imagistic, popular form than the Bible.
Magic As Vertical Causality
- Pageau reframes magic as a vertical causality tied to meaning rather than mere supernatural trickery.
- He warns scripture forbids using that meaningful power to manipulate or enrich oneself at others' expense.
Pray To Align, Not To Demand
- Treat prayer as transformational alignment, not a transactional demand list.
- Ben Shapiro and Jonathan Pageau suggest prayer changes your desires to match God's will, making requests effective.
