Noah Smith of Bloomberg Opinion and Scott Lincicome of the Cato Institute join the show to debate the proper use of trade and industrial policy in the United States.  The two former Neoliberal Shill Champions debate:  Is there a good argument for protecting certain industries? Should the government further subsidize scientific research? Does the current pandemic reveal weaknesses in the system? And what changes would they make to America's industrial policy if they were in charge?

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