The Megyn Kelly Show SCOTUS Hears "Affirm Only" Therapy Arguments, AG Bondi Clashes with Dems over DOJ: AM Update 10/8
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Oct 8, 2025 
Kristen Waggoner, President and CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom, dives into the Supreme Court's First Amendment challenge against Colorado's conversion therapy ban. She argues that the law restricts ordinary counseling by labeling it conversion therapy and fosters viewpoint discrimination by permitting affirmation while banning guidance towards biological alignment. Waggoner expresses optimism for a ruling that protects counselor speech. Additionally, Pam Bondi discusses DOJ operations, revealing tensions with Democrats over phone records collection during the January 6 investigation.
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Broad Definition Risks Censoring Counselors
- Colorado's conversion-therapy ban is framed broadly enough to include routine counseling conversations.
- Kristen Waggoner argues that labeling listening and behavior-discussion as 'conversion therapy' creates viewpoint-based censorship.
One-Sided Regulation Creates Viewpoint Bias
- The law allows gender-affirming counseling but prohibits counseling that affirms biological sex, creating one-sided regulation.
- Waggoner and Megyn Kelly highlight this as blatant viewpoint discrimination that could force minors toward irreversible paths.
Natural Desistance Versus Medicalization
- Waggoner presents percentages showing many minors naturally desist from gender dysphoria without medical intervention.
- She warns that social transition greatly increases the chance of lifelong medicalization.