

Dan Cleather on The Truth on “Force Absorption”, Deceleration and Triple-Extension in Sports Training
01:07:29
Science Guides, Philosophy Directs
- Science informs coaching philosophies but does not dictate exact training steps.
- Coaches integrate research with experience and intuition to guide athlete development.
Dan Cleather's Athletic Journey
- Dan Cleather shared his athletic journey from basketball to Olympic weightlifting and volleyball.
- He embraced diverse sports, emphasizing the value of varied physical literacy for coaching.
Rethinking Force Absorption
- Force absorption is misunderstood; forces are not absorbed but managed or reduced.
- Muscles produce force to respond to ground reaction forces rather than passively absorbing them.
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Introduction
00:00 • 5min
What Got You Into Sports Performance?
04:39 • 2min
What's Your Athletic Purposes?
06:39 • 4min
Is There a Passion for Performance?
10:17 • 2min
The Art of Learning
12:34 • 3min
Applying Science Into Training?
15:07 • 4min
Coaches Coach Out of Their Philosophy
18:44 • 2min
Performance Herbalism Can Make a Difference
20:43 • 2min
What's Your Take Down on Force Absorption?
22:35 • 5min
How Do You Absorb Force?
27:25 • 2min
The Muscles Need to Be Strong to Hold Joints in Place
29:53 • 2min
A, if You Don't Produce Force, You'd Just Yet Collaps Tyou Vew Pilago
31:34 • 3min
How Do You Train Your Athletes?
34:05 • 3min
Can You Land From a High Position?
37:07 • 3min
Is There a Limit to the Strength and Conditioning of a Young Child?
39:45 • 2min
Landing Training
41:28 • 3min
The Linear Versus the Complex
44:01 • 4min
You Know, I'm Not Going to Flower, You Know?
47:31 • 3min
Gardening and Plants Into Athletic Performance
50:28 • 2min
What's Your Take on Best Lifting Practices?
52:09 • 4min
How to Get a Good Second Pull
56:09 • 4min
Do You Think the Jump Shrug Is a Derivative of an Olympic Lift?
01:00:08 • 5min
Do You Like the Olympic Jumping Side of the Olympic Lifting?
01:05:15 • 2min
Today’s show is with coach and educator, Dan Cleather. Dan is a reader in strength and conditioning and the programme director of the MSc in strength and conditioning at St Mary’s University, Twickenham, UK. Dan began coaching at Cal State Long Beach, and then worked at the English Institute of Sport. He has coached national and international medalists across a wide range of sports, and in particular has worked with World and Olympic champions.
Dan is the author of several books on the topics of science and sports performance, including “Force”: The Biomechanics of Training, and “The Little Black Book of Training Wisdom”. Dan has published over 40 peer-reviewed and scientific articles, and is a founder member of the UK Strength and Conditioning Association.
When it comes to performance training, coaches often cite a disconnect between what they are coaching, and what actually happens when an athlete competes. We can gain a greater understanding of this issue by simply looking at how movement actually happens in sport, and how athletes actually manage forces. Many control points in coaching tend to revolve around slow, or easily observable aspects of movement (usually the end-points), when the complex reality of movement renders coaching around these endpoints obsolete, if not counter-productive.
On the show today, Dan will share with us how he views common coaching practices revolving around scientific terminology, such as “force absorption”. He’ll go into some fallacies around force-based principles involving landing dynamics in sport, deceleration training, and how coaches go about instructing Olympic weightlifting. Dan will speak on where science, and “evidence-based” practices fit in with one’s coaching philosophy and intuition, and will share his thoughts on the link between gardening plants and coaching athletes.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
4:37 – Dan’s background as an athlete and what got him into strength and conditioning
7:58 – Dan’s take on learning skills as a coach, in order to be a better learning (and coach) of skills
15:11 – Dan’s thoughts on what applying science to training actually is
22:42 – How coaches tend to frame “force-absorption” in athletics, and what it actually is
32:47 – Thoughts on the body dealing with forces from a perspective of being a “machine” or from a self-organizing perspective
41:27 – Dan’s thoughts on any sort of deceleration training for sport, and how coaches tend to spend too much time on versions of movement that are too reductionist
48:20 – The link between seeds, plants, gardening and athletic performance
52:58 – Dan’s take on traditional Olympic lifting practices in light of force development
“The more skills you learn, the better you get at learning skills”
“Evidence based doesn’t mean that the science is prescriptive, we see 8 parts of a 30 piece jigsaw puzzle, which are the bits of evidence we are getting from the science, and we work out the rest of what that puzzle looks like based on our experience, our discussions with the coaches, etc.”
“The scientific evidence is an important part of our philosophy but it’s our philosophy that guides the decisions that we make”
“If you do something because your previous coach did it, that’s the evidence of what they did”
“Coaches find out what works, and 25 years later, the sport scientists come along and explain why… if you had to wait for the science before you were prepared to make a decision then you wouldn’t be able to do very much”
“Absorption implies that there is something you have got that is being sucked up by something, and can be released later”
“We call a softer landing with more flexion of the knees and hips “force absorption”,