S4 Ep4: Send This Podcast to Joe Lieberman (with Matt Bennett)
Oct 14, 2023
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Matt Bennett, political commentator and critic of the No Labels effort, joins the podcast to discuss the strategy and concerns surrounding No Labels' plan for a third-party bid in 2024. The speakers analyze the perception of centrist swing voters and the impact of third-party candidates on elections. They also explore the possibility of a fantasy ticket and discuss the importance of serious governance in a dangerous world. Concerns about low enthusiasm Democrats splitting the vote and aiding Trump's reelection are also discussed.
No Labels' plan to nominate a unity ticket consisting of a Republican and a Democrat could potentially reelect Donald Trump.
Running a third-party candidate is unlikely to lead to any real success and could potentially split votes between the major party candidates, resulting in an unintended outcome.
The political landscape in the US is highly polarized, making the idea of a successful centrist third-party candidate unlikely and raising concerns about splitting the vote and potentially reelecting Trump.
Deep dives
No Labels and the Unity Presidential Ticket
No Labels is a group that has been advocating for a unity presidential ticket with a Democrat and a Republican. Their focus has primarily been on Congress, where they have helped create the problem solvers caucus, a bipartisan effort to find solutions to problems. However, they have recently decided to expand their efforts and get involved in presidential politics. They are raising funds for a third-party presidential bid in 2024, with the goal of nominating a unity ticket consisting of a Republican and a Democrat. Critics argue that this is a bad idea that could reelect Donald Trump. The theory behind No Labels' approach is that by splitting the Republican vote with a unity ticket, it would mitigate the impact of third-party candidates on Biden's chances of winning. However, there is concern that this strategy could backfire, as Biden has more fluid support compared to Trump, and some soft supporters of Biden may be willing to consider a centrist alternative. The fear is that a third-party candidate could siphon votes away from Biden and ultimately help Trump win the election, similar to what happened in 2016 with third-party candidates. While No Labels is confident in their plan, critics argue that it is a dangerous and unrealistic idea that will only harm the chances of defeating Trump.
The Problem with No Labels
No Labels is facing criticism for their approach and strategy. Critics argue that they are not offering a genuine choice to voters, but instead creating an illusion of success. While they believe that running a third-party candidate is a viable option, history has shown that third-party candidates rarely come close to winning and have had little impact on past elections. The last third-party candidate to win a single electoral vote was George Wallace, who ran on a racist platform. There are concerns about the potential spoiler effect, where votes could be split between the major party candidates, resulting in an unintended outcome. In the 2020 election, third-party candidates took away enough votes from Hillary Clinton in key states to potentially swing the election in favor of Trump. Critics argue that No Labels' plan to nominate a unity ticket is a bad idea that could reelect Trump and is unlikely to lead to any real success. They emphasize the importance of focusing on defeating Trump rather than creating divisions within the anti-Trump coalition.
The Unviability of No Labels' Approach
Despite their efforts and plans, No Labels' approach is deemed unviable by critics. They highlight that the US political landscape is highly polarized, and the idea of a successful centrist third-party candidate is unlikely. Voters tend to be aligned with either the Democratic or Republican party, and third-party candidates often struggle to gain significant support. Recent focus groups have shown that even voters who are dissatisfied with Biden and seeking alternatives are still reluctant to support a third-party candidate. The fear of splitting the vote and potentially reelecting Trump is a major concern for many voters. Additionally, the difficulty of winning electoral votes and the lack of any credible path to victory for a third-party candidate further undermine the viability of No Labels' approach. Critics argue that their efforts are misguided and could ultimately do more harm than good in the pursuit of defeating Trump.
RFK Jr. and the Impact of Anti-Vaxx Appeal
The entry of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as an independent candidate in the general election has raised eyebrows among Trump supporters. RFK Jr., known for his anti-vaccine views, has gained some attention and curiosity from certain segments of the population. Some two-time Trump voters find his anti-vaccine stance appealing, as they share concerns about the pharmaceutical industry's influence. While it is unclear how much support RFK Jr. will ultimately attract, there is a possibility that he could siphon votes from both Biden and Trump. However, the impact remains uncertain, and it could vary among different voter groups. Overall, though, concerns about reelecting Trump and the importance of defeating him overshadow any potential appeal RFK Jr. may have with certain demographics.
The Urgency of Defeating Trump
The main concern and urgency throughout the discussion surrounding No Labels and third-party candidates is the need to defeat Donald Trump. Both the host and their guest emphasize the risks and potential consequences of actions that could inadvertently help Trump secure another term. They stress that this is not the time for third-party experiments or divisions within the anti-Trump coalition. Voters and political insiders alike need to focus on supporting Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee and rallying against Trump. The dangers of splitting the vote, the unlikelihood of third-party success, and the seriousness of the presidency necessitate a united front against Trump's reelection.
A third-party group called No Labels might put Donald Trump back in the White House (whoops), and we have a label for that: dangerous. Matt Bennett of Third Way has been one of the leading voices against the No Labels effort. He joins Sarah to give listeners a rundown on No Labels' plans and to hear which voters are picking up what they're putting down.