Hollie McNish, Poet and Ted Hughes Award-winning author, discusses motherhood myths, commercialization of parenthood, frustrations of modern life, guilt, class and snobbery, online abuse, unexpected freedoms of being a single parent, and reframing selfies as 'the oil paintings of the Tinder age'.
The podcast highlights the importance of open conversations about the realities and challenges of motherhood, emphasizing the need for support and understanding instead of judgment and criticism.
Hollie McNish shares her personal journey as a working mother, shedding light on the challenges of balancing work and parenting responsibilities, and emphasizes the need for realistic expectations and support.
The podcast emphasizes the validation and understanding of the complex emotions that come with motherhood, highlighting the importance of not dismissing or belittling these emotions but rather showing compassion and empathy.
Deep dives
Importance of embracing sadness and its connection to happiness
The podcast discusses the importance of embracing sadness and how it can lead to personal growth and happiness. The host, Helen Russell, introduces the topic and explains that being sad is a natural part of life. She emphasizes that it is important to acknowledge and understand why we get sad, what to do when we are sad, and how we can become happier by learning how to be sad better.
Guest interview with Holly McNish and her experiences with everyday sadness
The podcast features an interview with Holly McNish, a poet and writer, who shares her own story and experiences with everyday sadness. She discusses her book 'Nobody Told Me,' which explores the challenges and joys of raising a child in modern Britain. Holly also talks about the societal pressures and misconceptions surrounding motherhood and the frustrations and highs that come with it. She highlights the importance of open conversations about parenthood and the everyday sadness many parents experience but often don't talk about.
Challenging ideals of motherhood and societal expectations
The podcast delves into the unrealistic ideals of motherhood and the societal expectations placed on women. The conversation explores how these expectations can lead to feelings of guilt, being bored, and loneliness. Holly McNish shares her own journey of navigating these expectations and challenges. She emphasizes the need for open discussions about the realities of motherhood and the importance of supporting one another instead of judging or criticizing.
The complex emotions and experiences of motherhood
The podcast delves into the complex emotions and experiences that come with motherhood. Holly McNish reflects on her personal journey and the range of emotions she has felt, including feelings of love, guilt, frustration, and the constant need to juggle multiple roles. The discussion emphasizes that these emotions are valid and should not be dismissed or belittled. It highlights the need for compassion and understanding when discussing and experiencing the many facets of motherhood.
The challenges of balancing work and parenting
The podcast explores the challenges of balancing work and parenting, particularly for mothers. Holly McNish discusses her own experiences as a working mother and the guilt and pressure she has felt. She emphasizes that achieving a balance can be difficult and different for every individual. The conversation highlights the need for support, understanding, and realistic expectations when it comes to combining work and parenting responsibilities.
Hollie McNish is a poet, writer and Ted Hughes Award-winning author of Nobody Told Me – a collection of poems and stories about raising a child in modern Britain..
Hollie writes with raw honesty, warmth and humour, but as well as great critical and mainstream success, she’s also had her fair share of setbacks and her work articulates perfectly the ‘everyday sadness’ that we all experience.
In this episode, Hollie and Helen chat:
Motherhood myths
The commercialisation of parenthood
The frustrations of modern life
Guilt
Class and snobbery
Online abuse
Not belittling our sadness
The unexpected freedoms of being a single parent
Sting’s next project…
…and reframing selfies as ‘the oil paintings of the Tinder age’
Trigger: suicide
Find out more about Hollie’s work here and follow Hollie on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube @holliepoetry
Hollie’s next collection of poetry, Slug, is out in May.
Follow Helen on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook @MsHelenRussell
Read more about Helen’s new book, How To Be Sad at Waterstones or Amazon.
Get in touch with the show at howtobesadpodcast@gmail.com
Thanks to Joel Grove for production and to Matt Clacher at HarperCollins for making this podcast happen.
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