Episode 259 - Just doing it with Drew Ellis

'If you can just get over the fear of failure and treat failure as a learning process, then... you're going to go on to do some great stuff.'

From designing the iconic 'Choose Life' t-shirts of the 1980s to launching one of the first lockdown festivals of 2020, Drew Ellis has been living by this mantra for years now.

One result of his experimentation is Like Minds, a global thought leadership and events company, and in this conversation we explore how it happened, why events and books are such a perfect partnership, and the future of audio and particularly Drew's plans for Clubhouse.

And if you're playing small, there's a challenge here for you: be seen. There are so many options that there are no excuses any more.