The Theory of Anything

Episode 123: Campbell vs Deutsch: Incremental vs Cosmic Significance

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Dec 2, 2025
Dive into a captivating debate on knowledge creation between Campbell and Deutsch. Unpack the question of whether knowledge growth is a rare occurrence or a commonality in nature. Explore the implications of artificial evolution and the limitations of pseudo-Deutsch interpretations. Discover how machine learning intersects with established knowledge theories. Delve into the nuances of open-ended creativity and the challenges of defining knowledge itself. This discussion bridges philosophy, technology, and the nature of discovery.
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Core Disagreement: Rare Versus Ubiquitous Knowledge

  • Bruce contrasts Deutsch's claim that artificial evolution algorithms do not create knowledge with Campbell's broader evolutionary epistemology.
  • He frames the dispute as whether knowledge creation is rare (Deutsch) or ubiquitous (Campbell/Popper).
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Logic Theorist Produces New Proofs

  • Bruce uses Herbert Simon's Logic Theorist as a concrete example that Campbell cited to show blind variation in machines.
  • The program produced novel proofs, which Campbell argued counted as machine-created knowledge.
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Strict Deutsch Collapses Campbell's Hierarchy

  • If Deutsch's strict reading is correct, Campbell's hierarchy collapses except for biological evolution and human ideas.
  • Many of Campbell's examples (paramecium, chess programs) would no longer count as knowledge creation under that view.
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