
The Theory of Anything Episode 123: Campbell vs Deutsch: Incremental vs Cosmic Significance
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Dec 2, 2025 Dive into a captivating debate on knowledge creation between Campbell and Deutsch. Unpack the question of whether knowledge growth is a rare occurrence or a commonality in nature. Explore the implications of artificial evolution and the limitations of pseudo-Deutsch interpretations. Discover how machine learning intersects with established knowledge theories. Delve into the nuances of open-ended creativity and the challenges of defining knowledge itself. This discussion bridges philosophy, technology, and the nature of discovery.
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Core Disagreement: Rare Versus Ubiquitous Knowledge
- Bruce contrasts Deutsch's claim that artificial evolution algorithms do not create knowledge with Campbell's broader evolutionary epistemology.
- He frames the dispute as whether knowledge creation is rare (Deutsch) or ubiquitous (Campbell/Popper).
Logic Theorist Produces New Proofs
- Bruce uses Herbert Simon's Logic Theorist as a concrete example that Campbell cited to show blind variation in machines.
- The program produced novel proofs, which Campbell argued counted as machine-created knowledge.
Strict Deutsch Collapses Campbell's Hierarchy
- If Deutsch's strict reading is correct, Campbell's hierarchy collapses except for biological evolution and human ideas.
- Many of Campbell's examples (paramecium, chess programs) would no longer count as knowledge creation under that view.








