Sometimes things just go better in twos and that was the case regarding our guests for this episode. Zarak Kahn is the Behavioral Innovation Director at Maritz and Erik Johnson is an independent Behavioral Science Consultant. They are the co-hosts of Action Design Radio and board members at Action Design Network. Kurt and Tim have known them as coaches and colleagues and wanted to talk to them about all of that.

We discussed how the application of behavioral science continues to grow in both the corporate and policy words. Today, there are more jobs, more workshops, more bachelor's programs, more masters programs, more PhD programs, more meetups and more bootcamps than ever before. We expressed our collective desires to make behavioral science so easy to do it will be ingrained into every job from UX to Marketing to HR, and how we’d like to see people applying a behavioral lens in all of their decision-making.

In our grooving session, Kurt and Tim emphasized the importance of expanding the community of people applying behavioral science and we are grateful to share the mantle with very bright and fine folk like Erik and Zarak.

Erik Johnson Twitter: https://twitter.com/erikleejohnson 

Erik Johnson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikleejohnson/ 

Erik Johnson Website: erikj.net 

Zarak Kahn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/khanzarak/

Action Design Network: http://www.action-design.org/

Action Design Radio (podcast): https://actiondesignradio.libsyn.com/

Robert Cialdini: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini

Dan Kahneman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman

Richard Thaler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Thaler

Cass Sunstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein

Idles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuQG6_evFc8

Local Natives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Natives

Lana Del Rey: https://lanadelrey.com/

Carley Rae Jepson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNaR-rxAic

Wye Oak “The Louder I Call the Faster it Runs”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7ffikJOE4

Sylvan Esso: http://www.sylvanesso.com/

Johnny Flynn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Flynn_%26_The_Sussex_Wit

Sharon Van Etten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7sTHoeH0eA

Gillian Welch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ_nWPxrzmE

M Ward: https://mwardmusic.com/

The National: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIWmRbHDhGw