The Fold is taking a break over summer. We'll be back soon with new episodes but, until then, here's one of our favourites from 2023: Gaven Morris oversaw the entire news division of the ABC during a transition from a public radio and TV behemoth, to a market leading digital operation. He talks with Duncan Greive to share what he learned in that process, and give his advice on what the future of RNZ, TVNZ and NZ on Air should look like, now that the public media merger is no longer going ahead.

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