James Lindsay, a professional troublemaker, and Aaron Bastani, Novara Media's host, discuss the historical relationship between the political Left and support for Palestine. They explore the ideological connections between the woke left and Hamas, the presence of protests in the US in support of Palestine and their parallels with the Black Lives Matter movement, the similarities between Hamas and left-wing ideologies, the left's critique of Israel, the role of identity politics, and the complexities of free speech.
The alignment between the woke left and Hamas stems from shared philosophical currents and the perception of oppression and resistance.
The center-left faces a dilemma in supporting Palestine due to deep-rooted commitments to Israel and electoral concerns.
The influence of identity politics contributes to the left's alignment with the Palestinian cause, potentially leading to tolerance of violence and cultural revolution.
Deep dives
The Intellectual Heritage of the Woke Left and Hamas Alignment
The podcast explores how the woke left has aligned with Hamas and the Palestinian side. It discusses the intellectual heritage of the woke left, tracing back to communist liberation projects and Marxist influences in the Arab world. The podcast highlights the common philosophical currents shared between the woke left and Hamas, emphasizing the perception of oppression by a dominant power and the call for resistance by any means necessary. It also mentions the historical association between the left and the Palestinian Liberation Project, which has contributed to the solidarity between the two. This alignment is seen as a result of the left's opposition to neo-conservatism and Western adventurism, as well as their support for liberation movements. The podcast acknowledges that the left's support for Hamas and its justifications may differ from mainstream perspectives and raises questions about the left's refusal to condemn violent actions.
The Dilemma of the Center-Left in Supporting Palestine
The podcast explores the dilemma faced by the center-left in supporting Palestine. It highlights that the center-left, particularly in the US, is caught between the support for the Palestinian cause within its progressive base and its deep-rooted commitments to Israel and Western interests. The podcast suggests that the center-left's association of the Israeli cause with neo-conservatism and Western adventurism has led to a shift in the left's alignment with Palestine. It also acknowledges the challenges faced by the center-left due to its electoral concerns and the rise of a powerful left flank that demands support for the Palestinian cause.
The Influence of Identity Politics and the Potential for Violence
The podcast discusses the influence of identity politics on the current alignment of the left with Hamas and the Palestinian cause. It explores how the oppressed-versus-oppressor framework in identity politics creates a mentality of resistance against dominant powers. The podcast mentions the echoes between the woke ideas and Hamas ideology, noting the concept of liberation, the embrace of violence by any means necessary, and the perception of being locked in by oppressive forces. It highlights that while woke movements may not explicitly support violence, the underlying logic and justifications can lead to a tolerance or blind eye towards acts of violence. The podcast also raises concerns about the potential for violence and a cultural revolution in Western societies driven by these ideologies.
The Shift in Left and Right Support for Palestine and Israel
There has been a recent shift in left and right support for Palestine and Israel. Historically, it was not a left-coded position to support Palestine, as evidenced by the USSR's recognition of Israel in 1948. Even figures like Harold Wilson, seen as centrist, supported Israel and liberal Zionism. However, the reasons for the shift in left support include the influence of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) in the UK and the perception of Britain's historic Arabist tendencies. Meanwhile, the right's support for Israel may be influenced by the perception of Israel's military capabilities and high standard of living compared to Palestine's situation, including the assertion that Palestinians live in effectively an open-air prison.
Free Speech and Selective Application of Principles
There are concerns about the selective application of free speech principles from both the left and the right. The concern is that when it comes to controversial issues like the Israel-Palestine conflict, some free speech advocates may be in favor of censorship or punitive measures. However, it is argued that free speech should be upheld even during emotionally charged situations, as it allows for open debate, persuasion, and challenges to assumptions. It is important to extend these rights to those with differing opinions, and not limit freedom of speech to those who agree with our own perspectives. While there may be considerations around incitement to violence or threats, it is crucial to uphold the principles of free speech for open dialogue and productive discourse.
UnHerd's Freddie Sayers sits down with professional troublemaker James Lindsay and Novara Media's Aaron Bastani to discuss the modern and historical relationship between the political Left and support of Palestine.