The Lawfare Podcast Lawfare Archive: Norm Eisen on the Emoluments Clause
Jan 19, 2025
Norm Eisen, an ethics expert and former counsel for President Obama, dives deep into the Emoluments Clause and its implications during Trump's presidency. He discusses the ethical stakes and national security risks posed by Trump's business ties. Eisen reveals the legal challenges they've mounted to hold Trump accountable and emphasizes the necessity for rigorous adherence to this constitutional provision. The conversation also explores the complexities of distinguishing personal and corporate benefits, underscoring the urgent need for integrity in governance.
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Emoluments Clause Origins
- The Emoluments Clause addresses founders' fears of foreign influence.
- Foreign sovereigns might use money to sway U.S. leaders' judgment.
Historical Emolument Example
- The French king gifted Benjamin Franklin a diamond-encrusted snuff box.
- This historical anecdote exemplifies the type of foreign emoluments the clause aims to prevent.
Standing Question
- Norm Eisen and Richard Painter's standing is questioned.
- They argue their organizations diverted resources to address Trump's alleged violations.