
Christ Over All 5.02 David Closson, David Schrock & Stephen Wellum • Interview • "A Case for Abortion Incrementalism"
Jan 12, 2026
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ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview David Closson on his COA Longform Essay "A Case for Abortion Incrementalism"
Timestamps
- 00:30 – Intro
- 04:30 – How Did David Closson Become Impassioned about the Issue of Abortion?
- 06:40 – What Should People Take Away from David Closson’s Book?
- 09:00 – What Did Francis Schaeffer Argue For? Why Was No One Else Arguing Against Abortion?
- 12:36 – Anything to Be Encouraged or Discouraged By in Recent Years?
- 16:53 – The Differences Between Abolitionism and Incrementalism
- 19:00 – Is There a Way These Movements Can Work Together?
- 22:50 – Bill HR3755 and Abolitionists
- 25:50 – Are Incremental Bills More Effective?
- 27:47 – Is It Necessary for Pro-Life Advocates to Oppose Abolitionist Bills?
- 30:20 – Are Pro-Life Advocates Against Equal Protection Under the Law?
- 33:00 – The Different Roles of the Three Branches of Government
- 37:11 – Different Strategies Available to Us
- 40:20 – The Need for Cultural Renewal
- 45:05 – Has There Been Any Movement Towards an Abolitionist Bill in Texas?
- 48:38 – What Would Be Effective Against Chemical Abortions?
- 51:28 – An Area Where Abolitionists & Incrementalists Could Unite
- 52:35 – Are Pastors Being Trained on the Doctrine of Humanity?
- 55:43 – Are There Particular Places in Culture Where Christians Should Be Involved?
- 1:00:00 – The Responsibility Our Churches Have Toward This Issue
- 1:02:05 – Final Thoughts & David Closson’s Prayer
- 1:04:36 – Outro
Resources to Click
- “A Case for Abortion Incrementallism” – David Closson
- “Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges” – David Closson
- “We are Abolitionists” – Free the States
- “Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion” – James Silberman
- “Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations” – James Silberman
- Abolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion – The Danbury Institute
- “A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview” – Center for Biblical Worldview
- “Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth” – Nancy Flanders
- “Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future” – Praveena Somasundaram
- “Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans” – Blomberg School
- “How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?” – Mia Steupert
- Theme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for Life
- Give to Support the Work
Books to Read
- Life After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today – David Closson
