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Defending Democracy with Malcolm Turnbull

Episode 3: Do we need a Plan B to AUKUS?

Apr 2, 2025
Joining Malcolm Turnbull are Rear Admiral Peter D Briggs, a seasoned submarine operator with 40 years in the Royal Australian Navy, along with Jennifer Parker, a Principal Warfare Officer and HMAS Darwin's second-in-command for two decades, and Dennis Richardson, former Secretary of Defence and Australia’s Ambassador to the U.S. They tackle the viability of AUKUS, questioning its current strategy. The need for a practical submarine design and Australia’s military sovereignty takes center stage, emphasizing the importance of strategic autonomy in a rapidly changing global landscape.
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Quick takeaways

  • Australia's defense strategy must evolve beyond AUKUS, addressing emerging threats with innovative solutions like autonomous systems and alternative submarine designs.
  • Concerns surrounding the AUKUS partnership highlight the need for adequate submarine capabilities that are both effective and financially sustainable for Australia.

Deep dives

Reassessing Australia's Strategic Landscape

Australia faces a crucial period in which it must reevaluate its foreign defense policies due to the changing dynamics of international order, particularly influenced by the second Trump administration. The absence of dependable protection from a great power presents a unique challenge that urges Australian leaders to engage in serious discussions on their strategic future. This situation compels the country to move beyond a defensive stance and instead actively contemplate long-term strategies for national security, particularly in the context of regional diplomacy and military preparedness. The urgency of this discourse is underscored by the establishment of forums such as the sovereignty and security forum held in Canberra, which aims to broaden public understanding and involvement in the strategic planning process.

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