In my conversation with Mark Hyman on his new NYT best seller, Food: What the Heck Should I Eat?, we discuss the myriad challenges consumers face in figuring out the correct diet, but also, what WE as clinicians caring for patients – what do we prescribe? What do the data show? Are grains really verboten? Is dairy completely off-the-plate? What about meat? And fats/cholesterol and the APOE4 patient? Mark enlightens me to the new “regenerative agriculture” movement; going far beyond organic, regenerative agriculture regenerates the environment while providing good, clean food. Amazing, right? He also addresses the common price complaint. What is the cost of eating clean vs eating conventional? We also go behind the scenes to address the insidious agribusiness at the heart of US policy, and chat about Steven Savage’s recent take-down of Environmental Working Group’s Dirty Dozen Clean Fifteen lists. This was such a fun convo for me, and as always, Mark is doing great detective work getting to the heart of concerns around diet and the ecology of eating. Take a listen, I bet you’ll be as intrigued as I was.