Lots of men in the church today that sort of have the Peter Pan mentality. I just don't want to grow up. Lots of men in their 50s, 60s, and 70s who are still acting like spiritual babies, right? Just making messes all over the place. Well, in this podcast, we want to talk about how do we help the men of our church grow, to spiritually mature, and to become spiritual adults. My guest this week is Dan Wetzel from our staff, and we're going to talk about one of the seminars he did at our Leadership Summit recently. And so you're going to really want to listen to this as you interact with the men in your sphere of influence and in your small group.