The Greg McKeown Podcast 232. 10 Years of Creativity, Inc. with Ed Catmull (Part 1)
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Sep 21, 2023 
In a captivating conversation, Ed Catmull, co-founder of Pixar and author of 'Creativity, Inc.,' shares his journey in revolutionizing animation and his long collaboration with Steve Jobs. He discusses the art of nurturing creativity within teams through honest communication and constructive feedback. Ed emphasizes the importance of a collaborative leadership style that fosters innovation while avoiding burnout. Listeners will also gain insights into the dynamics of creative discussions and how to maintain productivity without sacrificing well-being.
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Steve Jobs' Transformation
- Ed Catmull discusses Steve Jobs' leadership transformation over 25 years.
- He highlights Jobs' initial flaws and eventual growth in empathy and listening skills.
Getting It Right vs. Being Right
- Ed Catmull emphasizes that Steve Jobs prioritized "getting it right" over "being right".
- This principle was fundamental to Pixar's filmmaking approach and Jobs' decision-making.
Valuing Disagreement
- Steve Jobs fired board members who didn't disagree with him, valuing diverse perspectives.
- He prioritized having people who challenge his thinking and contribute to finding the truth.
