On with Kara Swisher

Is Liz Cheney the GOP Cassandra?

Dec 7, 2023

Liz Cheney, the former Wyoming Congresswoman, serves as a vocal critic of Donald Trump and a staunch advocate for democracy. In a compelling discussion, she reveals her mission to counter Trump’s influence, even considering a third-party run. Cheney shares insights from her book 'Oath and Honor' while reflecting on her experiences during the January 6th hearings. She also discusses the personal toll of her political stance, her alliance with Democrats, and her concerns about the future of the GOP under new leadership.

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Liz Cheney

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Liz Cheney is determined to stop Donald Trump and his enablers from a second term, even if it means supporting Democrats or running as a third-party candidate.

Liz Cheney emphasizes the importance of upholding the Constitution and protecting democratic institutions in the face of threats and erosion.

Liz Cheney highlights the challenges she faced within the Republican Party for opposing Trump and her fears about the continued influence of Trump on the party.

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Liz Cheney's fear for the peaceful transfer of power

Liz Cheney expresses her concern about the erosion of the peaceful transfer of power in the United States. She reflects on the realization that her children may not grow up in a country where this fundamental democratic principle is guaranteed.

Intro

2min

Reflections on GOP Challenges

4min

Constitutional Duty and Family Inspiration

4min

Democracy Under Siege: A Personal Reflection

23min

Ego-Free Leadership and Political Dynamics

14min

Navigating Political Complexities

10min

Navigating the GOP Landscape: Ambition and Future Conversations

3min

Former Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney is on a mission to defeat Donald Trump - and says she’ll do “whatever it takes” to prevent him and his “enablers” from a second term in the White House, including supporting Democrats or going up against him on a third party ticket. She lays out why she thinks Trump is a danger to the country in her new book, Oath and Honor. A Memoir and a Warning. We speak with Cheney about being ostracized within her beloved Republican party, how she made friends with Democrats during the January 6th hearings, and her fears about Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. Plus, Kara grills her on her conservative policy positions ahead of an (unlikely) potential 2024 run.

Questions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find us on social media. We’re on Instagram/Threads as @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza

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On with Kara Swisher

Is Liz Cheney the GOP Cassandra?

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

Liz Cheney's fear for the peaceful transfer of power

Liz Cheney's commitment to upholding the Constitution

Liz Cheney's book and the history of the Trump era

Liz Cheney's challenges within the Republican Party

Liz Cheney's concerns about Trump's influence and the future

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