1803: How "Thoughtful" Mormons Stay in the Church - Dan McClellan Part 3
Aug 28, 2023
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Bible scholar Dan McClellan discusses how informed, intelligent Mormons navigate their faith, exploring the value of religion in promoting positive behavior and community. They delve into the evolution and impact of religion, the role of rituals in signaling trust and fidelity, and the complexities of belief in God within Mormonism. They also discuss the evolution of Joseph Smith's understanding of God, the social identity and cultural aspects of Mormonism, power structures in religious communities, and the controversy of Joseph Smith's polygamy. Additionally, they explore the mystery of Melchizedek, the inequality and patriarchy in the LDS Church, different positions within the Mormon community, and the challenges of running for political office. The podcast concludes with an intriguing discussion on psychedelics and prophets.
Progressive Mormons have moved towards a more abstract understanding of God, distancing from literal interpretations.
Orthodoxy within Mormonism changes with each generation and varies based on individual beliefs and societal discourse.
Joseph Smith's understanding of God evolved over time, transitioning from a more Trinitarian view to belief in three separate beings.
Prophets are fallible and can make mistakes, but their teachings still hold value and provide guidance.
The prophetic role raises ethical dilemmas for believers navigating personal beliefs and church teachings.
The Mormon Church benefits from a spectrum of beliefs, including nuanced perspectives from feminists and LGBTQ+ advocates.
Deep dives
Evolved concepts of God in Mormonism
Mormon beliefs about God have evolved over time. The concept of an anthropomorphic and corporeal deity was normative in the early periods of ancient Israelite ideology and early Christianity. However, as the broader society's view of anthropomorphic gods has changed, more progressive or informed Mormon believers have moved towards a smaller, less personal, and more abstract understanding of God. This shift allows for a less literal interpretation of scripture and a more nuanced view of suffering and theodicy. These believers may see God as nature or divine essence, finding meaning and significance in the world's order rather than a specific anthropomorphic figure. This move also distances from the literalistic beliefs of Joseph Smith's God, which may include God as a man, exalted beings, and exclusive authority. The Church's stance on certain doctrines can change over time, and not all beliefs held by individual Mormons are necessarily promoted by the institution.
Negotiable Orthodoxy
Orthodoxy within Mormonism and other religions is not static, but rather changes with each generation. Concepts of God and doctrine are subject to negotiation and interpretation. The issue of what is considered doctrine or non-negotiable varies depending on individual beliefs, institutional teachings, availability of literature, and the prevailing discourse within society. There are a wide range of beliefs within any religious tradition, and individuals often shape their own understanding of God based on personal experiences and interpretations of scripture. While some may insist on a literal interpretation of doctrine and label it as non-negotiable, the boundaries of orthodoxy are not fixed and can differ among believers. Institutions may promote certain teachings, but individuals have the agency to interpret and negotiate their own beliefs.
Joseph Smith's evolving concept of God
Joseph Smith's understanding of God evolved over time. In the early years, the Book of Mormon reflected a more Trinitarian view of God, aligning with the prevailing Christian beliefs of the time. However, Joseph Smith's concept of God expanded and became more nuanced as he delved deeper into theological inquiry and personal revelations. His understanding of the Godhead shifted towards a belief in three separate beings, each with a distinct corporeal existence. The various accounts of the First Vision chronicle this evolution of Joseph Smith's understanding. While some may view this evolution as evidence of manipulation or inconsistency, others see it as Joseph Smith's sincere quest for truth and a progression of his own spiritual understanding.
The Complex Nature of Prophets
Prophets, both in history and in modern times, have demonstrated fallibility and made mistakes. The idea of prophets being infallible or perfect is not a part of Latter-day Saint doctrine. Rather, prophets are seen as individuals who have access to strategic information and guidance from a divine source. Their role is to provide guidance and direction to the community, but this does not mean they are always right or without error. Progressive Mormons often approach the prophetic role with a nuanced perspective, recognizing that prophets can make mistakes and that their teachings should be critically examined. Some find value in the inspiration and guidance provided by prophets, while acknowledging their fallibility. The rejection of inerrancy does not diminish the importance and impact of the prophetic role in the community.
Navigating the Dilemma
The complexity of the prophetic role raises ethical questions for believers who may not fully align with orthodox teachings or policies. This dilemma is experienced by individuals who are navigating between their personal beliefs and the teachings of the church. There is no simple answer, and the value of a prophet varies for each person. Some approach the dilemma by seeking personal confirmation through prayer and personal revelation, while others adopt a position of suspending judgment. It is important to acknowledge the lived experiences of those who feel hurt or marginalized by the church's teachings and to respect their perspectives. This recognition can foster dialogue and understanding among different viewpoints within the faith community.
Finding Value in Imperfection
The value of prophets and their teachings can still be found, even in the presence of fallibility. While prophets may make mistakes or perpetuate harmful teachings, their role in providing guidance, inspiration, and strategic information remains significant. It is not necessary for prophets to be infallible in order for their words to inspire and provide moral guidance. Individuals may find value in the teachings of prophets, as well as in the teachings of other wisdom teachers and spiritual leaders from different traditions. Embracing a nuanced perspective allows for the recognition of imperfection while still appreciating the wisdom and guidance that can be gained from prophetic voices.
The role of faith and interpretation
When it comes to religious commitment and understanding the scriptures, there is a need to go beyond what the data can show and to deploy faith as a means of interpretation and understanding. This requires acknowledging the fallibility of human beings and recognizing that interpretations may change and evolve over time.
Historical problems in scripture
There are various historical problems present in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, such as inconsistencies in priesthood authority, issues surrounding Joseph Smith's polygamy, and the nuances of priesthood restoration. Thoughtful Latter-day Saints grapple with these issues, acknowledging the fallibility and human nature of the early church leaders, and seek to find a balance between historical evidence and personal faith.
The importance of diverse beliefs within the church
The Church benefits from having a spectrum of beliefs and interpretations within its community. While some individuals may have a more traditional or orthodox understanding of doctrine, there is room for nuanced perspectives, including those held by feminists or individuals advocating for the LGBTQ+ community. Encouraging open dialogue and acknowledging that questions and differing beliefs exist can foster a more inclusive and robust church community.
The impact of harm on religious belief
It is suggested that relying solely on data and events is not enough when it comes to religious belief. However, when harm is caused, it becomes problematic and necessitates recalibration. The Mormon Church has a history of being a patriarchal institution, with women not holding the priesthood. This raises concerns about the devaluing and harm towards women. While some feminists within the church continue their participation, there is a hope for change in the future.
Challenges of maintaining faith amidst social issues
The Mormon Church's alignment with conservative evangelical Christianity has perpetuated racism and systemic power asymmetries within the church. While some progress has been made, there is still a long way to go. Within the context of social issues, such as LGBTQ+ inclusion, there are questions about the limits of tolerance for misogyny, sexism, racism, and homophobia within the church. Thoughtful and informed Latter-day Saints may leave if change is not forthcoming.
