An unscripted and unrehearsed conversation, recorded at our dining room table on an iPhone. Driftglass: "Tuesday night I was feeling a little doomed, and my wife asked me what was wrong and I told her that at that moment I was doing some serious thinking about what to do in 2024 if Trump won. And that thinking about the unthinkable was depressing the hell out of me.

So we talked about it. And then she took out her phone and said that she bet that other people were feeling the same thing too but didn’t want to demoralize our side, and were maybe keeping it to themselves. And maybe we should just record our conversation, and that would be our podcast for this week."

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S02 EP38: Am I being a Karen?