This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Deep Waters - Russia’s undersea information war

Jan 30, 2025
Sophia Besch, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Ian Bond, deputy director of the Centre for European Reform, delve into Russia's undersea information warfare. They discuss recent threats to vital undersea infrastructure and the challenges in attributing sabotage to specific actors. The conversation highlights hybrid warfare's impact on European security and the significance of international cooperation to defend NATO countries. They also explore the complexities of communicating these threats to the public without inciting panic.
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ANECDOTE

Russian Spy Ship in British Waters

  • A Russian spy ship, the Yantar, entered British waters and was warned to leave by a Royal Navy submarine.
  • This incident highlighted the growing concern over Russian aggression and potential sabotage of undersea infrastructure.
INSIGHT

Undersea Cables: A Critical Vulnerability

  • Over 95% of daily global internet traffic and $10 trillion in financial transactions rely on undersea cables.
  • This makes them a critical vulnerability in potential conflicts, highlighted by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.
INSIGHT

Public Response to Russian Maritime Activity

  • Russia's monitoring of undersea infrastructure is not new.
  • However, the public response by John Healy to the Yantar incident was unusual and effective.
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