A sweet and searching conversation between Krista and the man behind Bon Iver at this year's On Air Fest, full of wisdom and revelation.

He is a person who experiences deeply, who metabolizes creatively, and who just keeps growing. He opens up with Krista about the strangeness of being loved for how he put his broken heart to music. They venture into the mysteries of God and of numbers, the problem of fame, and the deep working of time in a life.

He's now released a gorgeous fifth album, SABLE, fABLE. This one tells of immense healing and learning.

Justin Vernon is a singer, songwriter and producer and founder and frontman of the band — sometimes called an art project — known as Bon Iver. He lives and makes music in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. He has been on a personal and professional adventure since releasing his first album in 2007, For Emma, Forever Ago. His new album SABLE/fABLE is his fifth. He's received multiple Grammys and collaborated with many other artists from Taylor Swift to the Blind Boys of Alabama to Travis Scott and Kanye West.

This was recorded live at the 2025 On Air Fest in Brooklyn, New York.

Find an excellent transcript of this show, edited by humans, on our show page at onbeing.org.

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