The Traditionalist Movement, Episode 4: Divisions, 1976-1988
Aug 27, 2021
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This podcast explores the divisions within the Catholic Church after the Second Vatican Council, including the rise of conservative Catholicism. It delves into the struggles of the Society of St. Pius X in rejecting the Council while seeking recognition from Rome. The podcast discusses the formation of new priestly societies and tensions with Pope John Paul II. It also explores the efforts to bring back the old Roman rite and the controversy surrounding the traditionalist movement. The podcast concludes by examining the impact of Marcel Lefebvre's actions and the challenges faced by traditionalists.
The post-conciliar period in the Catholic Church saw a growing divide between progressive and traditionalist factions, particularly related to disagreements over the interpretation and implementation of the Council's documents, with liturgical reforms being a major point of contention.
The negotiations between the traditionalist movement, represented by the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), and the Vatican were marked by trust issues and a perceived lack of sincerity, ultimately leading to excommunication and a formal schism between the SSPX and the Catholic Church.
The efforts to accommodate traditionalists within the Church while maintaining control and governance, such as the establishment of the Ecclesia Dei commission and the formation of the Fraternity of St. Peter, proved limited and fell short of fully satisfying the demands of traditionalists.
Deep dives
The Formation of the Traditionalist Movement
The podcast episode explores the origins of the traditionalist movement in the Catholic Church. It begins by discussing the liturgical reform after the Second Vatican Council and how it led to dissatisfaction among some priests, including Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI). It highlights the divide between the progressive and more traditionalist factions at the Council, which later intensified in the post-conciliar period. The episode emphasizes the tension and disagreements over the interpretation and implementation of the Council's documents, particularly related to the liturgy. It also points out the accusations and divisions within the Church, with traditionalists often being labeled as divisive and accused of splitting the Church.
The Struggle for Recognition and Reconciliation
The podcast episode details the ongoing negotiations between the traditionalist movement, specifically represented by the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), and the Vatican. It mentions the attempts to reconcile the SSPX's concerns about the Council's reforms and their desire for the preservation and accessibility of the old Latin Mass. Talks between Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (founder of the SSPX) and Joseph Ratzinger are highlighted, indicating a tentative agreement in 1988. However, due to trust issues and perceived insincerity from Rome, Lefebvre goes ahead to consecrate four bishops without papal approval, leading to his excommunication and the formal schism between the SSPX and the Catholic Church.
Efforts for Compromise and Restoration
The podcast episode covers the Roman commission examining the legal status of the old Latin Mass in 1987, which concluded that it had never been abrogated and should be allowed with certain conditions. It reflects on the efforts of John Paul II and others to find a compromise that would recognize the desire for the ancient liturgy while preserving the unity and authority of the Church. The establishment of the Ecclesia Dei commission and the formation of the Fraternity of St. Peter are discussed as attempts to accommodate traditionalists within the Church while still maintaining control and governance. However, it acknowledges that these measures were limited and did not fully satisfy all the demands of traditionalists.
The Continuing Divide in the Catholic Church
The podcast episode addresses the ongoing divisions within the Catholic Church regarding the traditionalist movement. It explores the perception of traditionalists as schismatic and divisive, particularly due to their rejection of certain aspects of the Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar reforms. It highlights the growing skepticism among some traditionalists toward the modernist trend within the Church and their concerns about the dilution of traditional doctrine and liturgy. The episode also discusses the varying beliefs and perspectives within the traditionalist camp and how these differences have led to conflicts and schisms. It concludes by suggesting that the traditionalist movement continues to challenge the meaning and interpretation of the Council, reflecting the ongoing struggles and tensions within the Church.
The Future of the Traditionalist Movement
The podcast episode concludes with reflections on the future of the traditionalist movement in the Catholic Church. It raises questions about the viability and endurance of the movement, given the ongoing divisions and debates surrounding Vatican II and its reforms. The episode acknowledges the strong loyalty and commitment of traditionalists to the old Latin Mass and their desire for its recognition and accessibility. However, it also considers the challenges and limitations faced by traditionalists, including accusations of being schismatic and the resistance from the hierarchy. The episode leaves open the question of whether the traditionalist movement will find more significant acceptance and integration into the mainstream of the Catholic Church or if it will continue to exist as a separate and distinct entity.
In the latest episode in our series on the Catholic Traditionalist movement, we pick up the narrative in the reign of John Paul II, where the new prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Joseph Ratzinger, brings a sympathetic voice into the curia. Meanwhile, divisions arise within the Society of St. Pius X, even as negotiations with Rome continue, and Una Voce International continues to press for the legalizing of the Old Roman missal. But negotiations breakdown, leading to excommunication, the division of Marcel Lefebvre's followers and the return of some to communion with Rome.
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